Excuses, Excuses, Excuses

[firlandsfarm]

As soon as they caved in so easily to the junior doctors it was obvious this was going to happen.

Winter of Discontent 2 incoming.

Preceded by the Summer/Autumn of discontent

[jamesedwards]

As soon as they caved in so easily to the junior doctors it was obvious this was going to happen.

Winter of Discontent 2 incoming.

The original Winter of Discontent in 1978 was sparked by a 17% offer to car manufacture strikers. Junior Doctors have been offered 22%.

It's only human nature to want what you see others getting.

People younger than 50 have no idea how awful this might be.

[Archery1969]

Here we go, all public sector workers will now want the same pay deal as train drivers.

Forget about the cost of furlough, this might end up bankrupting the entire UK.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg49v5k771o

[Archery1969]

That didn’t take long, poor bloke

https://www.change.org/p/demand-change- ... p-down-now?

[ForFolksSake]

That didn’t take long, poor bloke

https://www.change.org/p/demand-change- ... p-down-now?

[sionascaig]

The original Winter of Discontent in 1978 was sparked by a 17% offer to car manufacture strikers. Junior Doctors have been offered 22%.

It's only human nature to want what you see others getting.

People younger than 50 have no idea how awful this might be.

And how long it lasted...

An often under reported fact, mainly because it was deemed "secret" at the time and only released 20 years later, was that oil revenues accounted for up to 40% of UK gov tax revenues p.a. & was a main driver for economic recovery under Thatcher.

==> can't expect that to happen this time round...

[ForFolksSake]

Nick Thomas-Symonds, a Cabinet Office minister, said the Government was “sticking to the promises we made in opposition” and that “we would sit down and find solutions”.

Despite the threat of further strike action by LNER, Thomas-Symonds told Times Radio: “We are absolutely looking to deliver a better service for passengers.”

[sionascaig]

Despite the threat of further strike action by LNER, Thomas-Symonds told Times Radio: “We are absolutely looking to deliver a better service for passengers.”

That is a very low bar it has to be said...

[Archery1969]

You need to get a grip Sir Kier….

https://news.sky.com/story/nearly-500-m ... y-13199067

[Derek27]

You need to get a grip Sir Kier….

https://news.sky.com/story/nearly-500-m ... y-13199067

No, it's the Tories that needed to get a grip. Sunak said he was going to stop the boats before Labour came into power. There wouldn't be any boat crossings if he kept his promise.

[sniffer66]

It might be too simplistic but why not just get the RN to patrol the channel in gunboats turning every small boat back. They will give up eventually and try somewhere else ?

[Archery1969]

It might be too simplistic but why not just get the RN to patrol the channel in gunboats turning every small boat back. They will give up eventually and try somewhere else ?

There are international naval rules, which the Royal Navy created and have always adhered too for non combatants at sea in distress. Australia did break with these norms when firing over migrants trying to enter Australian waters but there was uproar at home and internationally.

Besides if the UK did that, then France would do that and the migrants would be left stuck in the middle, run out of fuel and probably taking on water if overloaded.

I don’t know about the French but the Royal Navy would not allow them to drown etc.

And before anyone says it that is a different situation to the Royal Navy sinking the Argentinian naval flagship in 1982 as it was a combatant warship, even though it was sailing away and posed no danger.

[Archery1969]

So far Labour caving in to the Unions will cost £14.8 billion. There are yet 12 disputes to be settled.

In the meantime, the elderly have lost their £300 winter fuel payment.

Given the elderly are more likely to vote than the younger generation it could be that Labour and Sir Kier have started digging a hole for themselves.

And we still need to see what Reeves does in the autumn to those who are doing the right thing and saving for their futures. She has already been warned by UK pension funds not to change the rules to raise tax.

Everyone already knew labour was up the bum of the unions which all tax payers will need to service. It’s all about to come true and then some.

I would think more riots are on their way over the coming months and years.

[sniffer66]

It might be too simplistic but why not just get the RN to patrol the channel in gunboats turning every small boat back. They will give up eventually and try somewhere else ?

There are international naval rules, which the Royal Navy created and have always adhered too for non combatants at sea in distress. Australia did break with these norms when firing over migrants trying to enter Australian waters but there was uproar at home and internationally.

Besides if the UK did that, then France would do that and the migrants would be left stuck in the middle, run out of fuel and probably taking on water if overloaded.

I don’t know about the French but the Royal Navy would not allow them to drown etc.

And before anyone says it that is a different situation to the Royal Navy sinking the Argentinian naval flagship in 1982 as it was a combatant warship, even though it was sailing away and posed no danger.

Thanks. I did think it seemed too simple a solution

[Archery1969]

It might be too simplistic but why not just get the RN to patrol the channel in gunboats turning every small boat back. They will give up eventually and try somewhere else ?

There are international naval rules, which the Royal Navy created and have always adhered too for non combatants at sea in distress. Australia did break with these norms when firing over migrants trying to enter Australian waters but there was uproar at home and internationally.

Besides if the UK did that, then France would do that and the migrants would be left stuck in the middle, run out of fuel and probably taking on water if overloaded.

I don’t know about the French but the Royal Navy would not allow them to drown etc.

And before anyone says it that is a different situation to the Royal Navy sinking the Argentinian naval flagship in 1982 as it was a combatant warship, even though it was sailing away and posed no danger.

Thanks. I did think it seemed too simple a solution

I’m 99% sure a Captain/Commander of a Royal Naval ship or submarine has international legal discretion when it comes to helping non combatants at sea. In theory the PM/Queen/King could give an order not to help but in practice they never would. Whoever was in charge of the ship would never face a court martial or reprimanded for saving lives at sea, even by disobeying a direct order not too etc.