EU Membership Referendum (Brexit)
omg - when this hits home with the Leave voters, they are going to be fEUrious -win2win wrote:Erm.... We are not leaving Europe, just the EU.Mdave1 wrote:Of course there is a bright side, we no longer need to take part in the Eurovision Song contest.
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andyfuller
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I couldn't agree more - I am not going to say which way I voted so don't read into my comments one way or the other.superfrank wrote:some real rubbish being talked about atm.
I said to my brother on Friday morning - £1 bet that we have a petition doing the rounds by the end of the day - he said no bet it was the biggest cert.
Low and behold we have a petition saying that we should have a second vote because basically we the undersigned didn't get the result we wanted but when we do obviously we won't any more votes.
Who ever came up with the government site for those petitions deserves a huge bonus - it was the most genius thing known to man.
Supposedly the bus advert said the £350m was going to the NHS - look at what it actually says and it doesn't say that at all. But why let that get in the way of a good narrative.
It seems a lot of Remainers think that the Leavers just told lies but forget that the same was true of the remain campaign - this mornings Andrew Marr show gave a great example - seems the emergency budget isn't going to happen, they don't think that house prices are going to fall 10% and the 500,000 jobs aren't going to vanish after all but will that be given the same coverage in the media I suspect not.
We had a vote - people had their chance to say in or out - out won - its time to move on.
However, I'm thinking of starting a petition in advance for the England V Iceland game.....
Democracy will have failed us if Iceland knock us out by scoring more goals. Please sign, think our children's future!
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andyfuller
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Here is the clip from the Andrew Marr show I was referring to in my previous post:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_aud ... s/36633364
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_aud ... s/36633364
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vankancisco
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It's essential that those who led the Brexit campaign come out of hiding. That in part is fuelling the fire, you simply can't go missing in the aftermath of one of the most significant events in British political history. It's now emerging that Johnson and Gove are in complete shock, they didn't envisage winning. Hopefully something will happen tomorrow to explain what's going on.
BJ has now got to back flamboyant rhetoric with palatable fact and digestible fwd thinking here, otherwise, the tabloids (that were on the remain side) are going to have a shooting gallery every day now until the announcement of the contenders. I don't see any of this either going to plan, or effectively going well..vankancisco wrote:It's essential that those who led the Brexit campaign come out of hiding. That in part is fuelling the fire, you simply can't go missing in the aftermath of one of the most significant events in British political history. It's now emerging that Johnson and Gove are in complete shock, they didn't envisage winning. Hopefully something will happen tomorrow to explain what's going on.
To re-iterate, arghhh... why were WE even allowed near a complex issue that distinguished dyed in the wool hardened academics found impossible to disseminate common man info on (that of course is another issue in itself).
anyway, heading back to my cave (which is a lovely shade of red, magnolia and blue -plus, got a lovely hog roast in the fire pit -yum).. grunt/burp/fart/spew
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superfrank
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it's really simple. do you wish to make your own laws or be part of a big club that makes laws for everyone in the club. i'm pretty sure the vast majority of the electorate understood that as the issue.jimibt wrote:To re-iterate, arghhh... why were WE even allowed near this complex issue that even dyed in the wool hardened academics found it hard to disseminate common man info on (that of course is another issue in itself).
imho opinion it was always an awkward position to be in the EU and outside the Euro as the EZ club are moving towards political union. the question should have been in (inc. Euro) or out. you can't have it both ways in the long term.
superfrank, i honestly defer to your wisdom on the above. I just don't think the vast majority that voted to leave possess your incisive thought and wit. that tbh is my main concern (and I put myself in that camp) - not enough grasp of the situational realities to make such an profound decision for my kids generation. that said, being glib, i do look fwd to many trips to visit them in a variety of far flung destinations that they judge to be more accommodating of their needs.superfrank wrote:it's really simple. do you wish to make your own laws or be part of a big club that makes laws for everyone in the club. i'm pretty sure the vast majority of the electorate understood that as the issue.jimibt wrote:To re-iterate, arghhh... why were WE even allowed near this complex issue that even dyed in the wool hardened academics found it hard to disseminate common man info on (that of course is another issue in itself).
imho opinion it was always an awkward position to be in the EU and outside the Euro as the EZ club are moving towards political union. the question should have been in (inc. Euro) or out. you can't have it both ways in the long term.
I found Daniel Hannan's argument rather compelling for the leave vote.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJcuKfc ... e=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJcuKfc ... e=youtu.be
Brexit isn't certain to happen - I see big support for a 2nd referendum, and also the Scots are planning to veto the exit. The referendum wasn't actually legally binding, and there's no exit until 'Article 50' is triggered, which hasn't actually happened.
That would be a mistake tbh - 17.4million had their say. To ignore those people and their obvious anger, especially in some working class areas, could spark social unrest not seen in this country for many many yearsZenyatta wrote:Brexit isn't certain to happen - I see big support for a 2nd referendum, and also the Scots are planning to veto the exit. The referendum wasn't actually legally binding, and there's no exit until 'Article 50' is triggered, which hasn't actually happened.