Trading What I see !?

[napshnap]

You need more than a pencil to become an architect so why do you think you only need BA to be a trader? It's not amateur hour, do it right or don't bother.

You mean to say , BA is an entry level kind of success and one needs more than that to run a successful sports trading career?
How far can BA go?
May be it’s time to jot down a list of things that BA won’t do.
keep expectations in check.

You have to evolve and learn how to deal with the exchange api to bypass possible limitations and bottleneck, to get more freedom for your ideas realisation.

[decomez6]

You need more than a pencil to become an architect so why do you think you only need BA to be a trader? It's not amateur hour, do it right or don't bother.

You mean to say , BA is an entry level kind of success and one needs more than that to run a successful sports trading career?
How far can BA go?
May be it’s time to jot down a list of things that BA won’t do.
keep expectations in check.

You have to evolve and learn how to deal with the exchange api to bypass possible limitations and bottleneck, to get more freedom for your ideas realisation.

build a software from scratch ? or use BA`s excel function?
so BA should be used as a launchpad to a beginners guide . then transitiion to other software at mid-level ?

[napshnap]

You mean to say , BA is an entry level kind of success and one needs more than that to run a successful sports trading career?
How far can BA go?
May be it’s time to jot down a list of things that BA won’t do.
keep expectations in check.

You have to evolve and learn how to deal with the exchange api to bypass possible limitations and bottleneck, to get more freedom for your ideas realisation.

build a software from scratch ? or use BA`s excel function?
so BA should be used as a launchpad to a beginners guide . then transitiion to other software at mid-level ?

First one. I see this as a "final destination", but I'm not sure about "prefect path" to get there. I jumped straight from manual trading to making my own bots, I knew nothing about programming languages and API but with a help of guides from betfair developers forum (https://forum.developer.betfair.com. God bless those guys) I got there.

[decomez6]

You have to evolve and learn how to deal with the exchange api to bypass possible limitations and bottleneck, to get more freedom for your ideas realisation.

build a software from scratch ? or use BA`s excel function?
so BA should be used as a launchpad to a beginners guide . then transitiion to other software at mid-level ?

First one. I see this as a "final destination", but I'm not sure about "prefect path" to get there. I jumped straight from manual trading to making my own bots, I knew nothing about programming languages and API but with a help of guides from betfair developers forum (https://forum.developer.betfair.com. God bless those guys) I got there.

Well done
I’m at the semi auto trading phase using BA as my primary execution tool.My programming skills are dummy and by the look of things, I might have to take a full data science course ( done some but not enough).

[napshnap]

build a software from scratch ? or use BA`s excel function?
so BA should be used as a launchpad to a beginners guide . then transitiion to other software at mid-level ?

First one. I see this as a "final destination", but I'm not sure about "prefect path" to get there. I jumped straight from manual trading to making my own bots, I knew nothing about programming languages and API but with a help of guides from betfair developers forum (https://forum.developer.betfair.com. God bless those guys) I got there.

Well done
I’m at the semi auto trading phase using BA as my primary execution tool.My programming skills are dummy and by the look of things, I might have to take a full data science course ( done some but not enough).

AFAIK, the average data science course includes some programming lessons, but mainly focuses on statistics and machine learning which is not bad, but maybe kinda excessive if you are focused on learning how to make your own bot (I mean its technical aspects). But it's just my opinion, so walk your own path.

[goat68]

Welcome to my world!

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[Realrocknrolla]

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[ShaunWhite]

Welcome to my world!

Looks a lot like our world. 15 decimal places is a bit OTT isn't it?

Zipped ...(about 2Tb unzipped)

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[ged1200]

I've read the whole of this thread over 4 days, on and off. Goldmine of information. Lots to think about and apply. Many thanks to goaty for taking the part of "student" and for all the contributors ("tutors") giving so freely of their time and knowledge. For me, this is a great example of how you can learn so much more in a "group" learning situation (albeit with only one principal student in this case), rather than just trying to find the answers to your own personal questions as an individual learner.

[Kai]

Welcome to my world!

Looks a lot like our world. 15 decimal places is a bit OTT isn't it?

Zipped ...(about 2Tb unzipped)
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That's a lot of giggle bytes Shaun. I think it's better to store data in the memory banks so that it's accessible on the fly! Albeit frequent data corruption is an issue.

[Kai]

I've read the whole of this thread over 4 days, on and off. Goldmine of information. Lots to think about and apply. Many thanks to goaty for taking the part of "student" and for all the contributors ("tutors") giving so freely of their time and knowledge. For me, this is a great example of how you can learn so much more in a "group" learning situation (albeit with only one principal student in this case), rather than just trying to find the answers to your own personal questions as an individual learner.

Good effort but for any newcomers digging for useful info anywhere it's all rough guidelines, real work has to be done regardless. In short that's work with getting to know your market to the extent that you can trade it profitably. So for manual trading just learn your market and you can learn how to trade it, rinse and repeat with the next market and so on and each time should be easier because you're building on some existing foundations already.

But 2 key takeaways from this thread that come to mind, test as many things (when auto testing) as you can at the same time instead of testing just one for an extended period which would take forever to learn anything. I see people testing a strategy for 1-2 years and then concluding it's shit

And the other one is about psychology, you're probably going to have to beat your own head before you get a chance to beat the market, it will basically try to sabotage your every trade in every imaginable way It's quite a ride! Good luck.

[Bubace]

I've read the whole of this thread over 4 days, on and off. Goldmine of information. Lots to think about and apply. Many thanks to goaty for taking the part of "student" and for all the contributors ("tutors") giving so freely of their time and knowledge. For me, this is a great example of how you can learn so much more in a "group" learning situation (albeit with only one principal student in this case), rather than just trying to find the answers to your own personal questions as an individual learner.

Good effort but for any newcomers digging for useful info anywhere it's all rough guidelines, real work has to be done regardless. In short that's work with getting to know your market to the extent that you can trade it profitably. So just learn your market and you can learn how to trade it, rinse and repeat with the next market and so on and each time should be easier because you're building on some existing foundations already.

But 2 key takeaways from this thread that come to mind, test as many things as you can at the same time instead of testing just one for an extended period which would take forever to learn anything. I see people testing a strategy for 1-2 years and then concluding it's shit

And the other one is about psychology, you're probably going to have to beat your own head before you get a chance to beat the market, it will basically try to sabotage your every trade in every imaginable way It's quite a ride! Good luck.

i thought as a newbie it was better to test one thing at a time,

peter said on page 4 of this thread, start with 1 strategy at a time, and when youve mastered that, move on

thats how he started and thats how he teaches his kids?

or have i misundetstood what he was meaning?

genuine question, not trying to be smart?

[ShaunWhite]

i thought as a newbie it was better to test one thing at a time,

peter said on page 4 of this thread, start with 1 strategy at a time, and when youve mastered that, move on
?

This thread became very confused. It started of being about manual trading and morphed into automation stuff. Manual I'd say focus on one thing, automation needs a totally different approach.

If this thread proves anything it's that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. IQ is an asset but only if it comes with the humility to act on it. I was also disappointed by the number of people who should know better who were applauding 2 or 3 days statistically insignificant days profit which only encouraged some of the flawed thinking.

[Kai]

First part of the thread is manual and then OP switched to auto in the second part. Sorry for the confusion, thought it was implied, I'll edit to clarify.

So just learn your market and you can learn how to trade it, rinse and repeat with the next market and so on

for manual

test as many things as you can at the same time instead of testing just one for an extended period which would take forever to learn anything

for auto

[goat68]

And the other one is about psychology, you're probably going to have to beat your own head before you get a chance to beat the market, it will basically try to sabotage your every trade in every imaginable way It's quite a ride! Good luck.

You should see my forehead! (and the dent in my desk!)