UK General Election 2024 (or 25)

[firlandsfarm]

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From the person who "guessed" that I'm a Marxist? Please try to do better, the r v r on your comebacks is terrible.
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If you are referring to my comment "BTW how many years have you been stewing in your Marxist hatred?" you will notice I didn't call you a Marxist, I simply said you espouse Marxist hatred in direct response to your accusation I was stewing in my right wing nonesense. I have no idea if your politics are Marxist but I sense they are to the left of mine!

[firlandsfarm]

Put that in your pipe and smoke it FF and also go and track the number of food banks 2001 - 2023

Sorry Emmson, I don't have a pipe nor smoke. But the graph is interesting ... it shows how reality was starting to catch-up with Labour and they handed over to the Conservatives a sick economy in need of medication.

[firlandsfarm]

Put that in your pipe and smoke it FF and also go and track the number of food banks 2001 - 2023

If you want to understand firlandsfarm's posts, you need to look at them this way.


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And you accuse me of being childish!

[firlandsfarm]

Well it's true that we don't know how better or worse a job Labour would have done.
But I don't think anyone can in all honesty look at the revolving door at No.10 or the evidence of the covid inquiry or the flatlining FTSE and be happy not to explore an alternative.
The issue is really that they've been in power too long and are more focussed on internal party bickering than running the country.
I freely ackowledge I'm left of centre so I'm biased towards Labour and prejudiced about anything any Tory government does. And frankly I was in despair years ago but you then stop caring. But finally another mess-up sidles into view and I get angry all over again.
Hoping this bunch of Torys will find some competence is not credible to me anymore.
The government is broken, the Tory party is broken.
In life you don't avoid untried alternatives on the assumption that they will be worse than what you've got.
As you say - how can you possibly know about a different past. But without giving it a try, how can you know the future with a different bunch? It's only 5 years, what harm can they do?

Hi Greenmark, I fully understand the 'give the other guy a chance' desire. But we don't know what the other guy will do. We have had no firm policies and how they will be implemented from him. All we get from him is criticism, criticism and more criticism and I agree it's too easy to do so because of the own goals his opposition keep scoring. But give me some policies with meat on them ... I cannot vote for a vacuum. I doubt I will vote Conservative next time. I won't be voting Reform because all they are going to do is split the right of centre vote. I can't vote Labour because of the vacuum and Liberals ... well I don't think I need to comment other than to say I would rather vote Labour!

[Emmson]

The whole issue of the Blair and Brown era was tarnished by that stupid note that Liam Byrne left behind, all outgoing government departments leave notes behind (usually containing sarcasm, impudence and jokery) for their successors but that one in treasury got blown out off all proportion and to this day its used as a weapon against Labour.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... l-election

It help sowed the seeds for that disastrous austerity programme.

[sionascaig]

I recently posted that we now export more to the EU than we did pre Brexit despite them throwing their toys out of the pram but I that's the sort of news Remoaners just don't want to hear, they rather bury their heads in the sand.

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We also import far more (from our biggest trading partner).

The quicker (whatever) government sorts out the disastrous deal done my the incompetents in charge at the time the better.

I don't think we have yet implemented the import controls on the UK side so UK customers costs will only get higher (and more difficult).

PS: this is not a go at Brexiteers but the deal done & implementation of...

[Archery1969]

I have to genuienly say that Brexit has not affected me one way or the other or the companies I deal with outside of the UK. Most EU companies I deal with opened UK based offices, even though they not manned. This enabled them to get around the new rules/trading arrangements. Any associated costs is peanuts given their increased revenues. I wonder why others at home and abroad didnt do the same. Did they not annoy about such things ?

One area which has actually really benefited me was buy gun parts. Before I could only purchase from UK based RFD's but now I can purchase from the EU via their unmanned UK outlets at much more competitive pricing and there is no documentation has to what I buying which would be the case if purchased from a UK RFD. Now, if you were upto something dodgy then the Police wouldn't know what you bought or be able to find out easily.

And yes its legal, could be a loophole but us in the trade are not complaining.

It has made me realise that customs declarations are very inaccurate upto the point of being down right missleading. Amazed things are not scanned properly. Apart from the legal angle, the UK government must be losing allot of ££££ in lost import duties and VAT.

[jimibt]

right good to see that we're back on track. will pop back in a few weeks to see if we're still on the rails... jeez. taking a break

I have not abused anyone with debasing language, some have I haven't but I will defend Blair and Brown on their handling of the economy.

Though I won't defend Gordon Brown selling off gold at the wrong time and at the wrong price.

don't worry, i wasn't referencing you in my comment

[greenmark]

Well it's true that we don't know how better or worse a job Labour would have done.
But I don't think anyone can in all honesty look at the revolving door at No.10 or the evidence of the covid inquiry or the flatlining FTSE and be happy not to explore an alternative.
The issue is really that they've been in power too long and are more focussed on internal party bickering than running the country.
I freely ackowledge I'm left of centre so I'm biased towards Labour and prejudiced about anything any Tory government does. And frankly I was in despair years ago but you then stop caring. But finally another mess-up sidles into view and I get angry all over again.
Hoping this bunch of Torys will find some competence is not credible to me anymore.
The government is broken, the Tory party is broken.
In life you don't avoid untried alternatives on the assumption that they will be worse than what you've got.
As you say - how can you possibly know about a different past. But without giving it a try, how can you know the future with a different bunch? It's only 5 years, what harm can they do?

Hi Greenmark, I fully understand the 'give the other guy a chance' desire. But we don't know what the other guy will do. We have had no firm policies and how they will be implemented from him. All we get from him is criticism, criticism and more criticism and I agree it's too easy to do so because of the own goals his opposition keep scoring. But give me some policies with meat on them ... I cannot vote for a vacuum. I doubt I will vote Conservative next time. I won't be voting Reform because all they are going to do is split the right of centre vote. I can't vote Labour because of the vacuum and Liberals ... well I don't think I need to comment other than to say I would rather vote Labour!

Fair pont. How can you vote for vapour? Politics and the media have skewed democracy. I'd much rather row about Labour policy X or Tory policy Z. But it's more difficult than ever to get true information
But I still believe in democracy. And if Labour win the next GE I would want the Tory party to be a strong opposition. The weakness of the opposition maybe why we're where we are now.

[LeTiss]

Little surprised to see the current GE prices. Despite being heavy odds-on, Labour still look a great price at present

1.15 to win most seats
1.35 to win an overall majority

Sunak has been responsible for getting rid of Boris and Suella......Tory voters hate him, and even elected Liz Truss ahead of him!

I can't see any way of them stopping Labour after the events of this week

[greenmark]

I recently posted that we now export more to the EU than we did pre Brexit despite them throwing their toys out of the pram but I that's the sort of news Remoaners just don't want to hear, they rather bury their heads in the sand.

Screenshot 2023-11-14 122216.png

We also import far more (from our biggest trading partner).

The quicker (whatever) government sorts out the disastrous deal done my the incompetents in charge at the time the better.

I don't think we have yet implemented the import controls on the UK side so UK customers costs will only get higher (and more difficult).

PS: this is not a go at Brexiteers but the deal done & implementation of...

Another view.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/re ... s/sn02815/

[Derek27]

Perhaps we should have a UK General Election 2024 trading thread, and a UK General Election 2024 argument thread.

[greenmark]

Braverman is sticking the knfe into Sunak. What a total shower this lot are.

[Derek27]

Braverman is sticking the knfe into Sunak. What a total shower this lot are.

Yep, the back-stabbing has begun.

https://twitter.com/SuellaBraverman/sta ... 1982070914

[Archery1969]

No doubt the Tory’s will be gone in 2024. But you have to ask yourself how come they survived come that point for 14 years.

I don’t think that’s all down to the Labour Party being unelectable during that timeframe but more a reflection on the electorate.

Not saying my fellow man is stupid but one does have to ask what education they had and are they easily led by the media.

Surely you can only swallow so many lies.

And that’s coming from a paid up Conservative Party member.

In the meantime, peace, no need for left /right arguments.