Today's Horse Racing

[Bobajob]

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Thanks for the info
£300million a month will do me

[Naffman]

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Decreasing at an alarming rate, and with winter jumps/AW coming up

I agree in the main with the Grand National changes going forward they've just announced

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/horse-racing/67078770

The only issue I do have is already the animal rights people are straight on it with the "it doesn't go far enough" Racing needs to stop justifying itself to these people there's no need to, they shouldn't be given the time of day from racing but they somehow have some misguided logic that by appeasing them will they will go away.

And Frankie is no longer retiring who'd have guessed that! Wouldn't be surprised to see him on some big rides in the UK next year either.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/horse-racing/67008163

I love flat racing but I think Jumps should be banned (unpopular opinion I know), I not only find it unwatchable due to the falls but the amount of casualties is shocking tbh. Lowering the number in the GN makes no difference to me so I imagine it won't to anyone else, especially the RSPCA etc.

[ShaunWhite]

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Thanks for the info
£300million a month will do me

Ask yourself what proportion of a market can be yielded as profit after all the winners have been paid? Now divide that by the number trying. I get your at the stage where anything is good but when it's your job then these things matter. Nobody is doing this to make mininum wage.

What the chart actually says is that if you're in this for the long haul then you don't want to be wasting time and effort on a sport with no medium/long term future apart from being pocket money.

[ShaunWhite]

I love flat racing but I think Jumps should be banned (unpopular opinion I know), I not only find it unwatchable due to the falls but the amount of casualties is shocking tbh. Lowering the number in the GN makes no difference to me so I imagine it won't to anyone else, especially the RSPCA etc.

100% agree. Totally unnecessary levels of risk for the sake of entertainment.

[Bobajob]

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Thanks for the info
£300million a month will do me

Ask yourself what proportion of a market can be yielded as profit after all the winners have been paid? Now divide that by the number trying. I get your at the stage where anything is good but when it's your job then these things matter. Nobody is doing this to make mininum wage.

What the chart actually says is that if you're in this for the long haul then you don't want to be wasting time and effort on a sport with no medium/long term future apart from being pocket money.

It doesn't matter whether you are a beginner or you've being doing it as long as Peter has - it's all up for grabs. There's lots of ways at looking at that data. It may be the volume is becoming more day of the week/time of day dependent and is declining for those reasons. I must admit 1:30 pm to 5: 30 pm most days is long enough for me.

[ShaunWhite]

It doesn't matter whether you are a beginner or you've being doing it as long as Peter has - it's all up for grabs. There's lots of ways at looking at that data. It may be the volume is becoming more day of the week/time of day dependent and is declining for these reasons. I must admit 1:30 pm to 5: 30 pm most days is long enough for me.

The decline is even across the board, type, class, time. I have the data to substantiate that. It does matter, a lot, and as a Betfair user since 2000 I'm reasonably qualified to say that. It's not all up for grabs either.

4hrs a day? Lightweight I hope you never have to get a proper job where you work all day.

[CloseBets]

I love flat racing but I think Jumps should be banned (unpopular opinion I know), I not only find it unwatchable due to the falls but the amount of casualties is shocking tbh. Lowering the number in the GN makes no difference to me so I imagine it won't to anyone else, especially the RSPCA etc.

I'd agree, apart from the love flat racing bit

Problem is the powers that be that govern UK racing are still in the dark ages and don't have a clue how to bring , or promote, racing into the modern world. Give it a decade and horse racing will go the way of the dogs with a few courses maintained for the bookies if they don't wise up.

Horse racing was an old man's thing like mild when I was growing up and even more so now.

[firlandsfarm]

I love flat racing but I think Jumps should be banned (unpopular opinion I know), I not only find it unwatchable due to the falls but the amount of casualties is shocking tbh. Lowering the number in the GN makes no difference to me so I imagine it won't to anyone else, especially the RSPCA etc.

I don't go as far as advocating banning jumps racing but I also don't support them, I don't bet on them.

[firlandsfarm]

The decline is even across the board, type, class, time. I have the data to substantiate that. It does matter, a lot, and as a Betfair user since 2000 I'm reasonably qualified to say that. It's not all up for grabs either.

Just a thought Shaun but can you show pre and post the off separately?

[Emmson]

I would like to know if Betdaq has mirrored the decline on Betfair

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Would like to know how many active trading software users Betfair has and how it compares to preceding months/years.

[ShaunWhite]

The decline is even across the board, type, class, time. I have the data to substantiate that. It does matter, a lot, and as a Betfair user since 2000 I'm reasonably qualified to say that. It's not all up for grabs either.

Just a thought Shaun but can you show pre and post the off separately?

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I've done them since going back to 2019 and it's the same rate of decline.

[Emmson]

[Emmson]

[Bobajob]

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Thanks for the info
£300million a month will do me

Ask yourself what proportion of a market can be yielded as profit after all the winners have been paid? Now divide that by the number trying. I get your at the stage where anything is good but when it's your job then these things matter. Nobody is doing this to make mininum wage.

What the chart actually says is that if you're in this for the long haul then you don't want to be wasting time and effort on a sport with no medium/long term future apart from being pocket money.

"when it's your job then these things matter. Nobody is doing this to make mininum wage. "

If you are "retired" and you can make £10/hr ( minimum wage) to top up your pension and pay for a few more luxuries/holidays then the only thing you are going to be worried about is will it last another 10 years.
However, if it's your job/side hustle for the next 40/50 years then the declines in volumes is obviously a concern.
You might have to start looking at other sports where volumes are increasing e.g cricket to develop your 'edge'. Maybe all those people who are going to lose their jobs by 2027 will end up on Betfair.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... lerks.html
p.s - I'm not a Daily Mail reader - it's the only article I could find where you can read it all without having to create an account

[ShaunWhite]

If you are "retired" and you can make £10/hr ( minimum wage) to top up your pension and pay for a few more luxuries/holidays then the only thing you are going to be worried about is will it last another 10 years.

I 'retired' at 50 (9yrs ago) but it doesn't mean I've only got 10 yrs left or no longer have any ambition.