hi all,
I had a feeling that that most famous australian.. Tony Hargraves would resurfice out there... anecdotally I don't think anybody has ever proved or disproved whether he is the genuine article/fraud or not.. But he sure does get some press..
Groovy
Account suspended for premium charge avoidance
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andyfuller
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Peter did you or your wife do a Subject Access Request so as to find out the reasons and the grounds upon which they linked your account to your wife's account?Euler wrote:as been pointed out on the thread, if somebody did pursue it Betfair would have to produce the evidence and that would be interesting reading for all PC payers.
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private_better
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I got suspended too. A friend told me from betfair and he showed me his winning strategy. I started to play and was pretty successfull. Now my account got suspended.
I admit that I took over strategy, but I invested my money and all the money I won was for me.
I contacted betfair but they are blocking immediatly every communication. On e-Mails I don't get answer and the helpdesk replied on my more detailed questions with "It's under investigation".
I guess that I won against their betting partners but it is not my fault that they don't know what they are betting.
I admit that I took over strategy, but I invested my money and all the money I won was for me.
I contacted betfair but they are blocking immediatly every communication. On e-Mails I don't get answer and the helpdesk replied on my more detailed questions with "It's under investigation".
I guess that I won against their betting partners but it is not my fault that they don't know what they are betting.
Hi Private Better
It's pretty disgraceful.
Why can't Betfair at least say something like this?
'This is why we think you may have been breaking the rules. We're investigating the matter, and this is when you'll hear back from us. In the mean time, if you have any information that will help us get to the bottom of what's happened, we'd be interested to hear it. And if you have any questions, we'll be pleased to assist.'
It's not too much to expect a bit of professionalism, is it?
What benefit does it serve to stonewall someone?!?
Jeff
It's pretty disgraceful.
Why can't Betfair at least say something like this?
'This is why we think you may have been breaking the rules. We're investigating the matter, and this is when you'll hear back from us. In the mean time, if you have any information that will help us get to the bottom of what's happened, we'd be interested to hear it. And if you have any questions, we'll be pleased to assist.'
It's not too much to expect a bit of professionalism, is it?
What benefit does it serve to stonewall someone?!?
Jeff
Betfair can't go legal on you for winning I am pretty sure. I don't think there is anything against the law on winning unless you are really doing something dodgy.
Betfair's terms are so vague they referred me to the concept of 'betting entity' when they linked my wives account to mine. But it's so vague I don't believe it would stand up in court. My guess it they wouldn't want to lose a court case, so would give you your money but close your account if you went that far. But I think it's almost inevitable that a case will come out eventually due their insistence of pursuing winners and the sums they are asking for.
If it really affects such a small number of people why not discuss with them individually? At the moment there is so much -ve publicity, there current policies can't be doing Betfair any good.
Betfair's terms are so vague they referred me to the concept of 'betting entity' when they linked my wives account to mine. But it's so vague I don't believe it would stand up in court. My guess it they wouldn't want to lose a court case, so would give you your money but close your account if you went that far. But I think it's almost inevitable that a case will come out eventually due their insistence of pursuing winners and the sums they are asking for.
If it really affects such a small number of people why not discuss with them individually? At the moment there is so much -ve publicity, there current policies can't be doing Betfair any good.
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private_better
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I really do nothing illegal. I only recognize things faster than their betting team. I even don't use fast streams or sit at the sport event to be faster than the suspension time. The only reason can be that I use same strategy/software but this is both not illegal in my understanding.
I guess I will switch to betdaq as soon as I got my money back and try there my luck. Until that I will call them every day.
I guess I will switch to betdaq as soon as I got my money back and try there my luck. Until that I will call them every day.
Why not contact Alistair Osborne at the Telegraph? [email protected]
He's written a series of articles lately that have been critical of Betfair.
If Betfair keep getting calls from journalists asking why successful punters' accounts have been shut down, they might reconsider their approach...
Jeff
He's written a series of articles lately that have been critical of Betfair.
If Betfair keep getting calls from journalists asking why successful punters' accounts have been shut down, they might reconsider their approach...
Jeff
I second what Jeff says. Alistair Osborne is very interested in anything negative which Betfair do.
It seems that the recurring pattern with Betfair is that if an account suddenly starts to become successful, then they investigate it on the assumption that it must be linked to another individual dodging the higher-rate premium charges. I presume they then spend a week running all sorts of database queries in the hope that they can find some vague similarities with another account. If they have 3 million odd customers, it would appear inevitable that there will be matches between individuals; regardless of whether these individuals actually know each other...
It seems that the recurring pattern with Betfair is that if an account suddenly starts to become successful, then they investigate it on the assumption that it must be linked to another individual dodging the higher-rate premium charges. I presume they then spend a week running all sorts of database queries in the hope that they can find some vague similarities with another account. If they have 3 million odd customers, it would appear inevitable that there will be matches between individuals; regardless of whether these individuals actually know each other...
This his my history :
In 2010 I participated in a stage.
Theme of the stage was "becoming a professional trader".
After 6 months of hard work I joined on Betfair.com .
I began by depositing about 10,000 euros and I started to work.
I got great results and I gained a lot of money.
These performances have made in the summer of 2010, I got sick in September and October, and I could never work with BetFair.
In November I received an email from Betfair pricing, my account was under investigation for an suspicious evasion of the premium charge and then after about 20 days I received a mail "my account was linked to other accounts of other people. Betfair has taken 30,500 euros from my account and they asked me other 23.000 euro!I was desperate, Betfair does not listen and did not understand my explanations.
I contacted the organizer of the stage, telling me that he had suspended the account too, but he had no money in the account.
Someone was cheating me?
I have learned only one way to win, I know nothing about other people's operations.
I used my money, and my connection was from my home(my IP) or my server in England (like thousands of customers of Betfair)
Betfair said "it was a very clear unique strategy and you admitted that you have learned the system from someone else".
But , I ask myself and you "all the online stages that can be found on the web are potentially dangerous. Those who learn a strategy a potential evader's premium charge"?
I have never received any other explanation from Betfair.
I am not a UK resident, and my contract is with Betfair International jurisdiction is Malta.
I asked several lawyers but they say that it is difficult and that the costs could exceed 30,500 euros.
If anyone can help me or advise I would be very grateful.
Andy
In 2010 I participated in a stage.
Theme of the stage was "becoming a professional trader".
After 6 months of hard work I joined on Betfair.com .
I began by depositing about 10,000 euros and I started to work.
I got great results and I gained a lot of money.
These performances have made in the summer of 2010, I got sick in September and October, and I could never work with BetFair.
In November I received an email from Betfair pricing, my account was under investigation for an suspicious evasion of the premium charge and then after about 20 days I received a mail "my account was linked to other accounts of other people. Betfair has taken 30,500 euros from my account and they asked me other 23.000 euro!I was desperate, Betfair does not listen and did not understand my explanations.
I contacted the organizer of the stage, telling me that he had suspended the account too, but he had no money in the account.
Someone was cheating me?
I have learned only one way to win, I know nothing about other people's operations.
I used my money, and my connection was from my home(my IP) or my server in England (like thousands of customers of Betfair)
Betfair said "it was a very clear unique strategy and you admitted that you have learned the system from someone else".
But , I ask myself and you "all the online stages that can be found on the web are potentially dangerous. Those who learn a strategy a potential evader's premium charge"?
I have never received any other explanation from Betfair.
I am not a UK resident, and my contract is with Betfair International jurisdiction is Malta.
I asked several lawyers but they say that it is difficult and that the costs could exceed 30,500 euros.
If anyone can help me or advise I would be very grateful.
Andy
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spreadbetting
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Getting more ridiculous by the day with their account linking. There must be quite a few people using somewhat obscure strategies to win on Betfair only a matter of time before someone stumbles across the same and you're stuffed with their PC liabilities 
If all these stories are true, then Betfair are going to get sued to oblivion, it's compleatly unexceptable, they can close your account yes, but they 100% can not take money from you like that without proof 
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Andy,
That is another dreadful tale. Perhaps somebody could contact BBC Watchdog / Panorama, or Channel 4 Dispatches. I'm sure they would love to challenge BF's inner workings
If they are going to start charging people for learning strategies elsewhere, where does that leave BetAngel?
That is another dreadful tale. Perhaps somebody could contact BBC Watchdog / Panorama, or Channel 4 Dispatches. I'm sure they would love to challenge BF's inner workings
If they are going to start charging people for learning strategies elsewhere, where does that leave BetAngel?
Disgusting isn't it
Begs the question though
Why would you leave yourself open to your account being plundered.
I hope my old teacher doesn't use Betfair
He taught me how to do maths so that will be a reason to link accounts with him.
Leave Betfair
Dobbin
Begs the question though
Why would you leave yourself open to your account being plundered.
I hope my old teacher doesn't use Betfair
He taught me how to do maths so that will be a reason to link accounts with him.
Leave Betfair
Dobbin
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andyfuller
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To the people that have recently posted about having money removed from their accounts don't take this personally. It just seems a little odd that we are all of a sudden getting people join the forum, not post about anything else previously and all have these huge amounts removed by Betfair.
I am not by any means standing up for Betfair and if these cases are correct it is shocking behaviour by Betfair but I always like to ask questions about things.
Rush1980 - you said in November you received an email from Betfair Pricing - so this was in 2010 obviously? Before the new Premium Charge. So your case is slightly different to the other two recent cases that have been posted about as they have happened since the latest Premium Charge changes.
You must have had some seriously good system/method to have gone from being new to Betfair and joining in June 2010 at the earliest to stopping in October 2010 (5 months at most) and then being liable for 53,500 Euro in Premium Charge under Premium Charge 2 when it was just 20%, that is a gross profit of over 250,000 Euro averaging 50,000 Euro a month from start to finish.
All of the above is of course perfectly possible, just a few things seem a little odd to me but I hope you get your case sorted out and I would pursue them legally as if you win I suspect as would be the case in the UK you could reclaim all your legal expenses from Betfair. So if you are telling the truth you would have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Finally with those kind of winnings, fancy lending me your system for a few months
I am not by any means standing up for Betfair and if these cases are correct it is shocking behaviour by Betfair but I always like to ask questions about things.
Rush1980 - you said in November you received an email from Betfair Pricing - so this was in 2010 obviously? Before the new Premium Charge. So your case is slightly different to the other two recent cases that have been posted about as they have happened since the latest Premium Charge changes.
You must have had some seriously good system/method to have gone from being new to Betfair and joining in June 2010 at the earliest to stopping in October 2010 (5 months at most) and then being liable for 53,500 Euro in Premium Charge under Premium Charge 2 when it was just 20%, that is a gross profit of over 250,000 Euro averaging 50,000 Euro a month from start to finish.
All of the above is of course perfectly possible, just a few things seem a little odd to me but I hope you get your case sorted out and I would pursue them legally as if you win I suspect as would be the case in the UK you could reclaim all your legal expenses from Betfair. So if you are telling the truth you would have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Finally with those kind of winnings, fancy lending me your system for a few months
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Groovyelms
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Hi All,
This thread gets evermore interesting, I wonder if betfair are picking up on organised punting/betting/clubs/tipping services et al...
It will be very curious to know how the above mentioned specific cases pan out.. and what they may indicate for the future?
groovy
This thread gets evermore interesting, I wonder if betfair are picking up on organised punting/betting/clubs/tipping services et al...
It will be very curious to know how the above mentioned specific cases pan out.. and what they may indicate for the future?
groovy