UK General Election 2024 (or 25)

[Derek27]

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[Derek27]

Jememy king canute says they're gonna "reform" the welfare state so that people not looking for work will be denied benefit. Hasn't that always been the case? It certainly was when I was claiming jobseekers!

They must really be running out of ideas to be promising to impliment plans that have already been in place for a decade.

I think it’s referring to those signed off long term sick. Unless you have cancer or a terminal illness then you must work or lose your benefits.

Thats a staggering midunderstanding of how the welfare "safety net" works. You need to be in dire straits to recieve benefits of any kind. There are people that game any system - the biggest being lawyers/accountants for the rich. Get it right buddy!!

It's not a misunderstanding, it's a delusion. The government wishes to believe that sickness doesn't exist. That's why waiting a month for an appointment with a doctor or hours for an ambulance after you've had a heart attack doesn't seem a problem to them.

[Derek27]

Jememy king canute says they're gonna "reform" the welfare state so that people not looking for work will be denied benefit. Hasn't that always been the case? It certainly was when I was claiming jobseekers!

They must really be running out of ideas to be promising to impliment plans that have already been in place for a decade.

I think it’s referring to those signed off long term sick. Unless you have cancer or a terminal illness then you must work or lose your benefits.

Jeremy king canute is talking to Trevor Phillips. He's talking about the 300,000 who "aren't ill and don't have any disability"!

I've heard of people being sanctioned for not applying for jobs, applying for too many jobs, applying for jobs that are beyond them, not being in two places at the same time when interviews clash, etc. I think it's a case of being completely disconnected with the Work & Pensions department.

[Archery1969]

So, if you unemployed for 6 months or more, physical and mentally well then your case will be closed and benefits stopped.

I was rather shocked to learn that but then apparently its also what happens in the USA and elsewhere.

Probably going to be allot more homeless people then.

[Derek27]

So, if you unemployed for 6 months or more, physical and mentally well then your case will be closed and benefits stopped.

I was rather shocked to learn that but then apparently its also what happens in the USA and elsewhere.

Probably going to be allot more homeless people then.

Just as well they won't be in office long enough to implement it. There's a guy up the road from me who's suicidal, always talking about it, and on JSA. I keep telling him to see his doctor, get signed off and put in a claim for ESA but it just goes through one ear and out of the other. I can't imagine anyone offering him a job. You only need to talk to him for two minutes to realise he's not with it.

[Archery1969]

So, if you unemployed for 6 months or more, physical and mentally well then your case will be closed and benefits stopped.

I was rather shocked to learn that but then apparently its also what happens in the USA and elsewhere.

Probably going to be allot more homeless people then.

Just as well they won't be in office long enough to implement it. There's a guy up the road from me who's suicidal, always talking about it, and on JSA. I keep telling him to see his doctor, get signed off and put in a claim for ESA but it just goes through one ear and out of the other. I can't imagine anyone offering him a job. You only need to talk to him for two minutes to realise he's not with it.

Isn't it being brought in next month ?

[jimibt]

So, if you unemployed for 6 months or more, physical and mentally well then your case will be closed and benefits stopped.

I was rather shocked to learn that but then apparently its also what happens in the USA and elsewhere.

Probably going to be allot more homeless people then.

in the early 90's, I was lucky enough to be part of the enterprise allowance scheme, which was part of a government drive to reduce unemployed entrepreneurial individuals (or anyone in a wee fix, but with plans!!). basically, you had to present a business plan to support your *wild* aspirations.

it actually turned out to be not so wild and myself and a few of my peers leapfrogged long term unemployment (2+ years in those days) and kicked off viable businesses. what this gave us was the TIME to prove that our ideas were viable, without recourse to having to submit ourselves to weekly interrogation as to why we weren't (obviously/productively) working and vis a vis allowed us to pursue ideas that would otherwise have been untenable.

fwd wind 30 years and my youngest son (the wild canon of our flock) has engaged with a similar concept and is pursuing (with government support) his passion(s) [cutting edge photography/image representation - this isn't just point and click as i found out!]. this scheme is supported for 12 months and (as with mine in the 90's) the main, but enduring requirement is that you evidence your progression by means of regular meeting/updates with the benefits team.

for anyone (such as my youngest, who has unsuccessfully engaged with further education), this is a godsend and presents the opportunity to develop in a way that pressured interviews with DHS (still called that??) would preclude. In short - i think we still have some support out there for non linear individuals to work within the system, whilst softly fighting the (same ) system for the betterment of individuals that defy *type*.

anyway - hitting my 60's now and without this intervention, I'm sure i'd have had a much tougher life and contributed far less to both society and my family.

[Derek27]

So, if you unemployed for 6 months or more, physical and mentally well then your case will be closed and benefits stopped.

I was rather shocked to learn that but then apparently its also what happens in the USA and elsewhere.

Probably going to be allot more homeless people then.

Just as well they won't be in office long enough to implement it. There's a guy up the road from me who's suicidal, always talking about it, and on JSA. I keep telling him to see his doctor, get signed off and put in a claim for ESA but it just goes through one ear and out of the other. I can't imagine anyone offering him a job. You only need to talk to him for two minutes to realise he's not with it.

Isn't it being brought in next month ?

I haven't heard anything about it other than from you but I'd be surprised if they could roll out such a scheme so quickly. It might have to go through the SSAC.

[Derek27]

Every time I hear a minister say they have to make difficult decisions, it makes me want to put a gun to their head and make the difficult decision to pull the trigger.

[firlandsfarm]

Jememy king canute says they're gonna "reform" the welfare state so that people not looking for work will be denied benefit. Hasn't that always been the case? It certainly was when I was claiming jobseekers!

They must really be running out of ideas to be promising to impliment plans that have already been in place for a decade.

I think it’s referring to those signed off long term sick. Unless you have cancer or a terminal illness then you must work or lose your benefits.

Jeremy king canute is talking to Trevor Phillips. He's talking about the 300,000 who "aren't ill and don't have any disability"!

I've heard of people being sanctioned for not applying for jobs, applying for too many jobs, applying for jobs that are beyond them, not being in two places at the same time when interviews clash, etc. I think it's a case of being completely disconnected with the Work & Pensions department.

a few from 300,000 does not a disconnect make!

And is he wrong to call out the possible 300,000 'scroungers' because the Civil Service can't administrate perfectly?

[Derek27]

Sir Patrick Vallance: "Watching PM get his head around stats is awful. He finds relative and absolute risk almost impossible to understand".

I suppose that's the sort of PM we get when a vote winner is all that's sort after.

[Derek27]

I think it’s referring to those signed off long term sick. Unless you have cancer or a terminal illness then you must work or lose your benefits.

Jeremy king canute is talking to Trevor Phillips. He's talking about the 300,000 who "aren't ill and don't have any disability"!

I've heard of people being sanctioned for not applying for jobs, applying for too many jobs, applying for jobs that are beyond them, not being in two places at the same time when interviews clash, etc. I think it's a case of being completely disconnected with the Work & Pensions department.

a few from 300,000 does not a disconnect make!

And is he wrong to call out the possible 300,000 'scroungers' because the Civil Service can't administrate perfectly?

I really don't know why you bother replying to my posts. I don't even know what you mean by "a few from 300,000 does not a disconnect make" or calling out people for the mere possibility of doing something wrong, but I can't ask you to clarify because you just ignore my question and start throwing insults, so I'd suggest you stop wasting your time. Get some more trading done.

[Derek27]

Apparently, it wasn't just Johnson that struggled to understand stats, many ministers couldn't get their heads around basic graphs!

[greenmark]

So, if you unemployed for 6 months or more, physical and mentally well then your case will be closed and benefits stopped.

I was rather shocked to learn that but then apparently its also what happens in the USA and elsewhere.

Probably going to be allot more homeless people then.

in the early 90's, I was lucky enough to be part of the enterprise allowance scheme, which was part of a government drive to reduce unemployed entrepreneurial individuals (or anyone in a wee fix, but with plans!!). basically, you had to present a business plan to support your *wild* aspirations.

it actually turned out to be not so wild and myself and a few of my peers leapfrogged long term unemployment (2+ years in those days) and kicked off viable businesses. what this gave us was the TIME to prove that our ideas were viable, without recourse to having to submit ourselves to weekly interrogation as to why we weren't (obviously/productively) working and vis a vis allowed us to pursue ideas that would otherwise have been untenable.

fwd wind 30 years and my youngest son (the wild canon of our flock) has engaged with a similar concept and is pursuing (with government support) his passion(s) [cutting edge photography/image representation - this isn't just point and click as i found out!]. this scheme is supported for 12 months and (as with mine in the 90's) the main, but enduring requirement is that you evidence your progression by means of regular meeting/updates with the benefits team.

for anyone (such as my youngest, who has unsuccessfully engaged with further education), this is a godsend and presents the opportunity to develop in a way that pressured interviews with DHS (still called that??) would preclude. In short - i think we still have some support out there for non linear individuals to work within the system, whilst softly fighting the (same ) system for the betterment of individuals that defy *type*.

anyway - hitting my 60's now and without this intervention, I'm sure i'd have had a much tougher life and contributed far less to both society and my family.

My entire IT career was founded on a 3 month scheme, ironically in 1984 under a Thatcherite govt. Funny old world!

[Derek27]

Sir Patrick Vallance says he was never consulted about the eat out to help the virus out scheme. I wonder why.