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jamesg46 wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:50 pm
I'm actually at the stage where i believe people are more scared of being judged than they are of catching the virus.
It has been pointed out by some that Sage is largely made of behavioural psychologists, and I find it entirely plausible that they have set things up so that people are pressured into following the rules or risk being chased by the crowd. There is a lot of blame psychology and guilt inducing going on like "masks are to protect others".

I'm not saying it's some mad conspiracy theory I just think the whole thing is off. If you watch both the mainstream media and independent journalists/scientists you start to notice that certain key points, statistics and scientific papers are not up for discussion in the mainstream.

Personally I benefit from the current situation so the only reason to speak out (and be met with a lot of backlash) is for everyone elses good as a whole. I am quite shocked that many refuse to question what is going on and take the biased and sometimes lying Government and mainstream media's word as gospel given that more data is now out there.

Anyone who has done their research ought to know that the current approach is causing more harm than good. Trying to prevent losses is inadvertedly going to cause more overall deaths and suffering with many going undiagnosed with cancers and other bigger killers than Covid due to the shutdown as just one example.

Fair enough the original lockdown was called for, but now there's enough data for decisions to be made. I think a much simpler and cost-effective solution would have be to let people shield if they fall into one of the vulnerable groups and use the furlough money to support them, instead of shutting down the other 99%
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Jamie wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:10 am
It seems there are a lot of health professionals voicing criticism and mistrust at the way the whole situation has been handled.

A More Honest Perspective of the COVID-19 Pandemic
https://www.globalresearch.ca/more-hone ... ic/5733198

Apparently some at the BMJ are suspicious of corruption within the ranks of the decision makers:-
BMJ’s executive editor Kamran Abbasi wrote:

“Science is being suppressed for political and financial gain. Covid-19 has unleashed state corruption on a grand scale, and it is harmful to public health.1 Politicians and industry are responsible for this opportunistic embezzlement. So too are scientists and health experts. The pandemic has revealed how the medical-political complex can be manipulated in an emergency—a time when it is even more important to safeguard science.”
I can imagine it now... we all stand with dropped jaws of the prospect that reality is skewed towards profitability.

"Light at the end of the tunnel" - "every cloud has a silver lining" or let's make a mountain out of this mole hill.
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alexmr2 wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:43 am
jamesg46 wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:50 pm
I'm actually at the stage where i believe people are more scared of being judged than they are of catching the virus.
It has been pointed out by some that Sage is largely made of behavioural psychologists, and I find it entirely plausible that they have set things up so that people are pressured into following the rules or risk being chased by the crowd. There is a lot of blame psychology and guilt inducing going on like "masks are to protect others".

I'm not saying it's some mad conspiracy theory I just think the whole thing is off. If you watch both the mainstream media and independent journalists/scientists you start to notice that certain key points, statistics and scientific papers are not up for discussion in the mainstream.

Personally I benefit from the current situation so the only reason to speak out (and be met with a lot of backlash) is for everyone elses good as a whole. I am quite shocked that many refuse to question what is going on and take the biased and sometimes lying Government and mainstream media's word as gospel given that more data is now out there.

Anyone who has done their research ought to know that the current approach is causing more harm than good. Trying to prevent losses is inadvertedly going to cause more overall deaths and suffering with many going undiagnosed with cancers and other bigger killers than Covid due to the shutdown as just one example.

Fair enough the original lockdown was called for, but now there's enough data for decisions to be made. I think a much simpler and cost-effective solution would have be to let people shield if they fall into one of the vulnerable groups and use the furlough money to support them, instead of shutting down the other 99%
Personally I find you very logical, the alternative to you is the person who shouts you down while breaking the guidelines themselves... I won't mention any names (Derek) :D

Forget Trader Pats conspiracy comment, it's simply not a conspiracy to be open minded & question what you hear or see. Ultimately it you'll be proved wrong or right but at least you weren't licking your TV screen in the process.
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alexmr2 wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:43 am
Anyone who has done their research ought to know that the current approach is causing more harm than good.
That's complete bollocks! Anyone who's done their research will come up with varying opinions about the best approach - it's just some people's opinions including yours, you don't know for a fact that it's right!
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Derek27 wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:12 am
alexmr2 wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:43 am
Anyone who has done their research ought to know that the current approach is causing more harm than good.
That's complete bollocks! Anyone who's done their research will come up with varying opinions about the best approach - it's just some people's opinions including yours, you don't know for a fact that it's right!
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jamesg46 wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:55 am
Personally I find you very logical, the alternative to you is the person who shouts you down while breaking the guidelines themselves... I won't mention any names (Derek) :D
The fact that they're still called guidelines is an entitlement to break them. :D Coupled with the fact that the people who created them break them if they want to travel for a shag or anything else. Then there's the sheer nonsense of the rules.

When I was at school a teacher often put the whole class in detention simple because a small minority of kids were disruptive. As soon as the bell rang, I would leg it out of the class along with all the other culprits, so it was only the innocent that was getting punished. :lol:

BJ should be a school teacher, not a PM! Limiting meetings to 6 means that 3+4 households that haven't seen each other for ages and deserve an opportunity to meet might be law-abiding and skip a meeting, whereas 3+3 households who can see each other every day and should be distancing can keep meeting, while groups of 20 single or couples can ignore the unenforceable rules altogether and meet for a party!
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Derek27 wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:42 am
jamesg46 wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:55 am
Personally I find you very logical, the alternative to you is the person who shouts you down while breaking the guidelines themselves... I won't mention any names (Derek) :D
The fact that they're still called guidelines is an entitlement to break them. :D Coupled with the fact that the people who created them break them if they want to travel for a shag or anything else. Then there's the sheer nonsense of the rules.

When I was at school a teacher often put the whole class in detention simple because a small minority of kids were disruptive. As soon as the bell rang, I would leg it out of the class along with all the other culprits, so it was only the innocent that was getting punished. :lol:

BJ should be a school teacher, not a PM! Limiting meetings to 6 means that 3+4 households that haven't seen each other for ages and deserve an opportunity to meet might be law-abiding and skip a meeting, whereas 3+3 households who can see each other every day and should be distancing can keep meeting, while groups of 20 single or couples can ignore the unenforceable rules altogether and meet for a party!
I'm intrigued, has your new relationship allowed you to explore a deviation of the guidelines? On a scale of 1 to 10 how much did you abide before and after meeting your new lady friend?
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jamesg46 wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:52 am
Derek27 wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:42 am
jamesg46 wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:55 am
Personally I find you very logical, the alternative to you is the person who shouts you down while breaking the guidelines themselves... I won't mention any names (Derek) :D
The fact that they're still called guidelines is an entitlement to break them. :D Coupled with the fact that the people who created them break them if they want to travel for a shag or anything else. Then there's the sheer nonsense of the rules.

When I was at school a teacher often put the whole class in detention simple because a small minority of kids were disruptive. As soon as the bell rang, I would leg it out of the class along with all the other culprits, so it was only the innocent that was getting punished. :lol:

BJ should be a school teacher, not a PM! Limiting meetings to 6 means that 3+4 households that haven't seen each other for ages and deserve an opportunity to meet might be law-abiding and skip a meeting, whereas 3+3 households who can see each other every day and should be distancing can keep meeting, while groups of 20 single or couples can ignore the unenforceable rules altogether and meet for a party!
I'm intrigued, has your new relationship allowed you to explore a deviation of the guidelines? On a scale of 1 to 10 how much did you abide before and after meeting your new lady friend?
1 and 1. (Having a complete disregard to the guidelines doesn't mean I act irresponsibly). My post below which is 7 months old best explains what a relationship has to do with the guidelines. :)

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jamesg46 wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:35 pm
What % is survival of Covid at over different age groups? Also anyone know what the % chance of not getting Covid is?
1 - (the chance of getting it)

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jamesg46 wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:11 pm
Good point! I'll discount myself a few % for my unhealthy lifestyle and maybe factor in a few more to allow for Karma but ultimately I'll still sit on the side of being optimistic about my chances. I'd much rather that than a doom & gloom outlook :D
It's one of those probabilities that don't really express the full position. Yes, maybe you only have a 1% chance of dying from Covid but if you are in the 1% it becomes 100%. It's not something where you can partially die!
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Jamie wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:10 am
It seems there are a lot of health professionals voicing criticism and mistrust at the way the whole situation has been handled.

A More Honest Perspective of the COVID-19 Pandemic
https://www.globalresearch.ca/more-hone ... ic/5733198
Yes maybe "a lot of health professionals" are voicing criticism but maybe a lot more are not. Considering the number of health professionals in the UK "a lot" could actually be a small percentage. The media don't want to publish agreement, that's not news, they only want to publish disagreement because that stirs opinion. I didn't notice the title of the article linked to until I opened it ... "A More Honest Perspective of the COVID-19 Pandemic". "More honest", so no bias then! It's the stuff editors love.
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firlandsfarm wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:36 am
jamesg46 wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:11 pm
Good point! I'll discount myself a few % for my unhealthy lifestyle and maybe factor in a few more to allow for Karma but ultimately I'll still sit on the side of being optimistic about my chances. I'd much rather that than a doom & gloom outlook :D
It's one of those probabilities that don't really express the full position. Yes, maybe you only have a 1% chance of dying from Covid but if you are in the 1% it becomes 100%. It's not something where you can partially die!
Like car crashes? They don't really express the true chance of dying do they unless you die and then you're in that statistic that makes up the dead.... but you're dead anyway, so it doesn't matter to you.
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jamesg46 wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:52 am
Derek27 wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:42 am
jamesg46 wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:55 am
Personally I find you very logical, the alternative to you is the person who shouts you down while breaking the guidelines themselves... I won't mention any names (Derek) :D
The fact that they're still called guidelines is an entitlement to break them. :D Coupled with the fact that the people who created them break them if they want to travel for a shag or anything else. Then there's the sheer nonsense of the rules.

When I was at school a teacher often put the whole class in detention simple because a small minority of kids were disruptive. As soon as the bell rang, I would leg it out of the class along with all the other culprits, so it was only the innocent that was getting punished. :lol:

BJ should be a school teacher, not a PM! Limiting meetings to 6 means that 3+4 households that haven't seen each other for ages and deserve an opportunity to meet might be law-abiding and skip a meeting, whereas 3+3 households who can see each other every day and should be distancing can keep meeting, while groups of 20 single or couples can ignore the unenforceable rules altogether and meet for a party!
I'm intrigued, has your new relationship allowed you to explore a deviation of the guidelines? On a scale of 1 to 10 how much did you abide before and after meeting your new lady friend?
Yes it does, it certainly does by the standards of judgement. It's convenient that you're at 1 point, it's a little bit of wiggle room, I should of aksed where between 0 & 10. By the standards of judgement, if you don't follow the guidelines you're a "Granny Killer" (obviously I know you aren't) - but on one hand you shout at people who question Covid & on the other you deliberately break the guidelines, Why? Is it not as serious in your mind as it is being portrayed? Seems to me you want the best of both worlds, it wasn't too long back we had a conversation where you were 100% pro lockdown!
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Looks like teaching unions are eyeing another few months holiday for their members.

Tell them it'll be on half pay and see if they're still in favour...
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Over 50K new Covid cases in the UK in last 24hrs
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