Excuses, Excuses, Excuses

[Archery1969]

So, Labour government will save £1.4 billion by scrapping the universal winter payment.

But if every new eligible person on pension credit and a few other benefits claims it then it will cost an additional £2.2 billion.

mmm, maybe I not great at maths but doesn’t the above mean the government could end up saving nothing if everyone applies ?

It doesn't matter whether the sums add up or not.
But it's absolutely ridiculous that 'rich' pensioners living in 5-bedroom houses are subsidised with payment's to help them pay their heating bills.
And the majority of them spend winter's abroad anyway

What a Fukn liberty

I agree. But there is no other mechanism. Only 2 choices..1. Pay everyone. 2. Means test the payment.
1. everyone gets it and cannot give it back even if they wanted to.
2. Means tests cost massive money, the irony being lots of people would gladly hand back their freebie, but they can't.

There is another mechanism as pointed out by Tony Blair towards the end of Covid19. In his statement to a journalist, he said, paying 99% salary at 80% was madness and cost £400 billion. Even if you take away fraud, misspent money, it was a colossal sum of money for any government to pay out. What should have happened was for HMRC to make a household payment based on tax records which would have saved around £170 billion.

HMRC know who earns what, pensioner, on benefits, PAYE or self employed or non dom.

Only takes a few simple database queries to come up with detailed lists on who needs what and who doesn’t in times of hardship or tightening the public purse.

It’s not rocket science and for once in my life I agree with Tony Blair on that single issue.

[ForFolksSake]

It doesn't matter whether the sums add up or not.
But it's absolutely ridiculous that 'rich' pensioners living in 5-bedroom houses are subsidised with payment's to help them pay their heating bills.
And the majority of them spend winter's abroad anyway

What a Fukn liberty

I agree. But there is no other mechanism. Only 2 choices..1. Pay everyone. 2. Means test the payment.
1. everyone gets it and cannot give it back even if they wanted to.
2. Means tests cost massive money, the irony being lots of people would gladly hand back their freebie, but they can't.

There is another mechanism as pointed out by Tony Blair towards the end of Covid19. In his statement to a journalist, he said, paying 99% salary at 80% was madness and cost £400 billion. Even if you take away fraud, misspent money, it was a colossal sum of money for any government to pay out. What should have happened was for HMRC to make a household payment based on tax records which would have saved around £170 billion.

HMRC know who earns what, pensioner, on benefits, PAYE or self employed or non dom.

Only takes a few simple database queries to come up with detailed lists on who needs what and who doesn’t in times of hardship or tightening the public purse.

It’s not rocket science and for once in my life I agree with Tony Blair on that single issue.

Yes, and when Rishi Sunak introduced the furlough scheme he went to great lengths to say it was 'The Best' furlough scheme in the World.

He said because he saw a country whose future hung in the balance he wanted to give everybody 80% of what they had been earning to make everybody feel like they weren't being fucked when in effect he was f*cking everybody.

But at some point he knew we would all have to give that money back while you are in a worse position.

[Archery1969]

I agree. But there is no other mechanism. Only 2 choices..1. Pay everyone. 2. Means test the payment.
1. everyone gets it and cannot give it back even if they wanted to.
2. Means tests cost massive money, the irony being lots of people would gladly hand back their freebie, but they can't.

There is another mechanism as pointed out by Tony Blair towards the end of Covid19. In his statement to a journalist, he said, paying 99% salary at 80% was madness and cost £400 billion. Even if you take away fraud, misspent money, it was a colossal sum of money for any government to pay out. What should have happened was for HMRC to make a household payment based on tax records which would have saved around £170 billion.

HMRC know who earns what, pensioner, on benefits, PAYE or self employed or non dom.

Only takes a few simple database queries to come up with detailed lists on who needs what and who doesn’t in times of hardship or tightening the public purse.

It’s not rocket science and for once in my life I agree with Tony Blair on that single issue.

Yes, and when Rishi Sunak introduced the furlough scheme he went to great lengths to say it was 'The Best' furlough scheme in the World.

He said because he saw a country whose future hung in the balance he wanted to give everybody 80% of what they had been earning to make everybody feel like they weren't being fucked when in effect he was flipping everybody.

But at some point he knew we would all have to give that money back while you are in a worse position.

I’m confused, have you switched sides within a month ?

[ForFolksSake]

There is another mechanism as pointed out by Tony Blair towards the end of Covid19. In his statement to a journalist, he said, paying 99% salary at 80% was madness and cost £400 billion. Even if you take away fraud, misspent money, it was a colossal sum of money for any government to pay out. What should have happened was for HMRC to make a household payment based on tax records which would have saved around £170 billion.

HMRC know who earns what, pensioner, on benefits, PAYE or self employed or non dom.

Only takes a few simple database queries to come up with detailed lists on who needs what and who doesn’t in times of hardship or tightening the public purse.

It’s not rocket science and for once in my life I agree with Tony Blair on that single issue.

Yes, and when Rishi Sunak introduced the furlough scheme he went to great lengths to say it was 'The Best' furlough scheme in the World.

He said because he saw a country whose future hung in the balance he wanted to give everybody 80% of what they had been earning to make everybody feel like they weren't being fucked when in effect he was flipping everybody.

But at some point he knew we would all have to give that money back while you are in a worse position.

I’m confused, have you switched sides within a month ?

All I can say is I will never ever support the Tories ever again after all the shit they have put the country through.

Labour have got a great opportunity to be the Governing Party of this Country for years to come.

I don't see any other sides to switch to ?

[Archery1969]

Yes, and when Rishi Sunak introduced the furlough scheme he went to great lengths to say it was 'The Best' furlough scheme in the World.

He said because he saw a country whose future hung in the balance he wanted to give everybody 80% of what they had been earning to make everybody feel like they weren't being fucked when in effect he was flipping everybody.

But at some point he knew we would all have to give that money back while you are in a worse position.

I’m confused, have you switched sides within a month ?

All I can say is I will never ever support the Tories ever again after all the shit they have put the country through.

Labour have got a great opportunity to be the Governing Party of this Country for years to come.

I don't see any other sides to switch to ?

Good for you.

[ForFolksSake]

I’m confused, have you switched sides within a month ?

Labour have got a great opportunity to be the Governing Party of this Country for years to come.

Good for you.

However, they could easily f*ck it all up by awarding above-inflation pay rises ( not matched with productivity increases ) for Labour's supporters club

[Derek27]

Shadow health secretary, Helen Whately, complaining that pensioners are having to live and sleep in one room to keep warm. But this is before Starmer's changes have been implemented. In other words, after 14 years of a Tory government!

[greenmark]

Labour have got a great opportunity to be the Governing Party of this Country for years to come.

Good for you.

However, they could easily f*ck it all up by awarding above-inflation pay rises ( not matched with productivity increases ) for Labour's supporters club

Boeing in the US are have agreed to 25% pay deal over 4 years.
My worry now is the labourer is now useless. If you have no skills. You are screwed.We don't like to train people
How do you say to someone "you need to get your finger out you lazy bastard". At the same time banks are showing the hand to folks that could be self-supporting.
Getting mooney out of the banks is ridiculously difficult. My sister now earns £60k. Ten years ago the banks turned her down repeatedly when she needed support. Now she's debt free they won't stop phoning her to offer credit.

[jimibt]

My sister now earns £60k. Ten years ago the banks turned her down repeatedly when she needed support. Now she's debt free they won't stop phoning her to offer credit.

we lived thro the exact same experience. 10-12 years ago (when i was in my contracting prime!) we applied to various institutions for loans to make major renovations to our house. No one would play ball. now that we're debt and mortgage free, all i seem to get is offers for cheap loans and equity release schemes.

The cynic in me says that there's a metric somewhere that the banks can produce to evidence that they've made a certain ratio of unsecured offers to customers... our category is an easy target as both unlikely to require and unlikely to default if we take it up.

[greenmark]

My sister now earns £60k. Ten years ago the banks turned her down repeatedly when she needed support. Now she's debt free they won't stop phoning her to offer credit.

we lived thro the exact same experience. 10-12 years ago (when i was in my contracting prime!) we applied to various institutions for loans to make major renovations to our house. No one would play ball. now that we're debt and mortgage free, all i seem to get is offers for cheap loans and equity release schemes.

The cynic in me says that there's a metric somewhere that the banks can produce to evidence that they've made a certain ratio of unsecured offers to customers... our category is an easy target as both unlikely to require and unlikely to default if we take it up.

Precisely. When you need someone to invest and believe in you the banks are like vapour. When you're a slam-dunk certainty they're like wasps round a honey-pot.
Ok, that's fine. But anyone with huge amounts of cash can do that. Where is the risk for the banks? Truss wittered on about lackof productivity - I would complain about the laziness of capital.

[ForFolksSake]

Good for you.

However, they could easily f*ck it all up by awarding above-inflation pay rises ( not matched with productivity increases ) for Labour's supporters club

My worry now is the labourer is now useless. If you have no skills. You are screwed.We don't like to train people
How do you say to someone "you need to get your finger out you lazy bastard".

“ I was looking for a job and then I found a job....."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjPhzgxe3L0

[greenmark]

However, they could easily f*ck it all up by awarding above-inflation pay rises ( not matched with productivity increases ) for Labour's supporters club

My worry now is the labourer is now useless. If you have no skills. You are screwed.We don't like to train people
How do you say to someone "you need to get your finger out you lazy bastard".

“ I was looking for a job and then I found a job....."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjPhzgxe3L0

I'd forgotten that line.
A lot wrapped up in that lyric eh?

[ForFolksSake]

My worry now is the labourer is now useless. If you have no skills. You are screwed.We don't like to train people
How do you say to someone "you need to get your finger out you lazy bastard".

“ I was looking for a job and then I found a job....."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjPhzgxe3L0

I'd forgotten that line.
A lot wrapped up in that lyric eh?

Statistics show 16- to 24-year-olds out of work at highest level since pandemic, a rise of almost 50% in two years

https://www.statista.com/statistics/974 ... uk-by-age/

The Tories should never ever be allowed to run this country again

[greenmark]

“ I was looking for a job and then I found a job....."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjPhzgxe3L0

I'd forgotten that line.
A lot wrapped up in that lyric eh?

Statistics show 16- to 24-year-olds out of work at highest level since pandemic, a rise of almost 50% in two years

https://www.statista.com/statistics/974 ... uk-by-age/

The Tories should never ever be allowed to run this country again

I fear that they will after Labour have attempted to mop up what the Tories left behind.
I'm 63 and have never seen such a terriible level of incompetence. I have been Labour, Tory, Liberal. But I have never felt so disgusted with the lack of political dignity and efficiency as the last few years. Nick Clegg plunged in my view by jumping into bed with Cameron. It was all downhill from there.
Labour have a mountain to climb.

[ForFolksSake]

I'd forgotten that line.
A lot wrapped up in that lyric eh?

Statistics show 16- to 24-year-olds out of work at highest level since pandemic, a rise of almost 50% in two years

https://www.statista.com/statistics/974 ... uk-by-age/

The Tories should never ever be allowed to run this country again

I fear that they will after Labour have attempted to mop up what the Tories left behind.
I'm 63 and have never seen such a terriible level of incompetence. I have been Labour, Tory, Liberal. But I have never felt so disgusted with the lack of political dignity and efficiency as the last few years. Nick Clegg plunged in my view by jumping into bed with Cameron. It was all downhill from there.
Labour have a mountain to climb.

Time to worry is if they have made no impact by 2 elections time.
Starmer says it is going to take them at least 10 years to sort NHS out