Make BetAngel Simple to Use

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Kafkaesque
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JustLukeYou wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:00 pm
Simple things are popular.

BetAngel is very sophisticated and it can be used to set up many different automated rules but it is also far to complicated. Sports trading is a fraction of the gambling industry and virtually none-existent in America. The reason is that conventional trading is so simple and easy to perform. I can place a bet on Bet365 and quickly set the amount I want it to trade out at. With BetAngel I have spend two weeks trying to set up a rule. For sports trading to go mainstream and BetAngel to attract more customers it needs to be quick and simple to use.
This is the case, because 99.9% of Bet365's customers are dummies. The remaining 0.01% is just the ones who they haven't gotten around to outright throwing out the door, or limiting to a max stake of £0.05. They offer a simplistic product in their trade out/cash out, because they know it appeals to their clientel - ie. dummies - and they can allow themselves to (indirectly) charge a nosebleed premium for the privilige, because those using it can't see it. So for you to use that example just shows you to be, well you know....
JustLukeYou wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:00 pm
If BetAngel was simple to use it would undoubtedly be more popular and attract more customers. People like simplicity. They don't want to spend two hours reading a manual.
Indeed, people do like simplicity. They like to buy a lottery ticket, hoping to hit that jackpot, so they can quit the job, they've somehow convinced themselves is what's wrong with their lives. Or pop down to the betting shop putting a tenner on Man City to win 5-0 at 20/1 when the true value is closer to 30/1 which they could have gotten on the exchange or at Pinnacle. And then when it hits once in blue moon, spend nearly all of it in a night down the pub, telling everyone what a genius football expert they are. Which is fine. Not knocking it. Just saying that nearly no one wants to grind it out using that tenner instead to earn a small percentage again and again and again. It's just not as much fun.

There are plenty of simple ways to use Bet Angel. Or I would have thought so. If it's taken you weeks with no succes in even setting up, maybe it's just not for you. That's as simple and plain advice as you're gonna get. Bet Angel is only as complicated as you want to make it. But it does take grit to stick with it, whichever level of complication you attempt and/or your approach requires. Trading and Bet Angel will never be mainstream, because most just cannot be arsed.

A simple piece of software will not make (profitable) trading simple. So any new customers will be short term ones. Even if the software is simplified it's not for most, and any effort from the team should be to make the complicated stuff more intuitive to use, and yes to make even more complicated functions. It should not, and I'm sure will not, be simplified because you're having a bit of a hissy fit, because you're incapable of putting the pieces together.
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Kafkaesque wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:01 am
If it's taken you weeks with no succes in even setting up, maybe it's just not for you.
That hits the nail on the head (I doubt he'll have the time to read your post with the length that it is - he'll be busy packing boxes for eBay).

I once spend a whole day trying to adjust the brakes and gears on a bicycle before giving up and taking it to a bike mechanic. It's quite easy to get so obsessed with a job that you lose all rationality of the time it's going to take and whether it's cost-effective. Sadly, Luke (or Gareth, but I'm used to calling him Luke) is hell-bent on having an automated stop-loss to limit his losses at 20% but ignores the advice several people have given him, that when a goal's scored 20% won't cover him. If he ever gets the stop-loss automation he desires, a year from now, he'll still be posting questions about how to modify it to lose 30% instead of a potential 100%, and being the helpful souls (or suckers) that we are on this forum we'll still be helping. :)
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Looks like we need to bring forward that make a million button that's been in development for the last 20 years. A predictable end I think?
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JustLukeYou wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:00 pm
Simple things are popular.
Yet strangely you aren't.

You have no experience in trading, you have no experience in software and all of your business ideas have failed. In what way do you feel qualified to comment on the business of trading software? If you had it your way we'd all have one of these...
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Which actually isn't far from this tbf :D .....
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ShaunWhite wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 3:51 am
JustLukeYou wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:00 pm
Simple things are popular.
Yet strangely you aren't.

You have no experience in trading, you have no experience in software and all of your business ideas have failed. In what way do you feel qualified to comment on the business of trading software? If you had it your way we'd all have one of these...
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I always knew trading was all about doing A,B or C to achieve 1,2 or 3 - looks a top product Shaun.
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ShaunWhite
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He'd get on well in the office pic LinusP posted. :lol:
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Kafkaesque
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ShaunWhite wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:13 am
He'd get on well in the office pic LinusP posted. :lol: 4312FA16-24F4-48B6-B988-680AEECD59AE.jpeg
I missed where he posted this. Where is the pic from?
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Kafkaesque wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:54 am
I missed where he posted this. Where is the pic from?
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Kai
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JustLukeYou wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:00 pm
I can place a bet on Bet365 and quickly set the amount I want it to trade out at. With BetAngel I have spend two weeks trying to set up a rule. To set up a rule it comes with a manual. Compare this to Bet365 when a trade out bet can be placed in seconds.
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Really guys....ffs, not again
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Kai
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ShaunWhite wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:13 am
He'd get on well in the office pic LinusP posted. :lol:

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Wow you can almost smell the sweat and testosterone from here :o The amount of high fiving that is probably going on in that office must be off the flippin' chart!
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The chairs on the left and 2nd from right remind me of the Johnny 5 computer from Short Circuit films. JOHNNY 5....IS ALIVE!!

Well to throw my 2p or 2c in, BetAngel is already easy to use; as long as one can follow a PDF guidebook, have some basic trading knowledge or ideas, do a bit of internet research on sports trading, and take the advice of experienced forum members without questioning all advice given. Any reasonable question I had in my early days was always answered concisely by forum members here.

You can lead a horse to water, but it's not your responsibility if that horse is too afraid of the water and dies of dehydration, or over-confident and jumps in too deep and drowns. Survival of the horse is directly related to the smarts or lack of smarts of the horse, not the leader.

Plus if the horse drowns, he jumped in way too deep, most horses swim pretty good despite their scrawny legs. :D
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Kai
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Dublin_Flyer wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:35 am
The chairs on the left and 2nd from right remind me of the Johnny 5 computer from Short Circuit films. JOHNNY 5....IS ALIVE!!

You can lead a horse to water, but it's not your responsibility if that horse is too afraid of the water and dies of dehydration, or over-confident and jumps in too deep and drowns. Survival of the horse is directly related to the smarts or lack of smarts of the horse, not the leader.

Plus if the horse drowns, he jumped in way too deep, most horses swim pretty good despite their scrawny legs. :D
More and more I'm starting to suspect that you might be the person on the left in your profile picture, and not the one on the right :mrgreen:

Anyway, if this was Luke's final contribution to the forum then I'd like to wish him all the best and say a genuine thanks for the memes, if he ever finds something that comes natural to him he really should consider deeply focusing on that alone and discarding all the rest.

Overall I think it was a decent insight into how the ignorant masses perceive sports trading, or fail to perceive it I guess, but above all else it was an exercise in patience for many people on here and I can safely say that the forum passed this exercise with flying colors. There was probably enough material to post 300 memes and I'm personally glad that I managed to resist the urge for the most part, otherwise I'd probably get banned as well :D
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A lazy mind will seek lazy ways! Suck it up and learn it properly, its hard because you're a beginner.
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