Anyone use Drone feed vs TPD?

[Fugazi]

It's not just about the speed. Compared to the racing TV tracks there's hardly any difference, but the difference is the camera angle the drone gives you. You can see the entire field and that alone gives you an edge.

TV camera angles are shocking. I have the drone footage and the TV feed both open at the same time and there's often a big difference in what you're seeing. Head to head on the TV for example when it isn't actually head to head.

I've tried tpd but I just didn't feel comfortable with it. Personally I wouldn't like to be using big stakes relying on something telling me what happening which could be slightly wrong, when I can use my own eyes and see exactly what is happening.

Also you can't trade with TPD every race as it's only certain tracks.

But that's just my own experience with it. I'm sure there's definitely an edge to be found if you look deep enough.

Not a user of TPD myself yet.

BUT

Why not use what you can see AND TPD?

[Euler]

Because my TPD predicts the future, so it sees it before I can.

[Scotty66]

It's not just about the speed. Compared to the racing TV tracks there's hardly any difference, but the difference is the camera angle the drone gives you. You can see the entire field and that alone gives you an edge.

TV camera angles are shocking. I have the drone footage and the TV feed both open at the same time and there's often a big difference in what you're seeing. Head to head on the TV for example when it isn't actually head to head.

I've tried tpd but I just didn't feel comfortable with it. Personally I wouldn't like to be using big stakes relying on something telling me what happening which could be slightly wrong, when I can use my own eyes and see exactly what is happening.

Also you can't trade with TPD every race as it's only certain tracks.

But that's just my own experience with it. I'm sure there's definitely an edge to be found if you look deep enough.

Not a user of TPD myself yet.

BUT

Why not use what you can see AND TPD?

I used TPD for a very brief time and I lost a bet when it got data wrong. It's very very rare that it happens but it does happen and did happen. After that I just can't rely on it.

[Fugazi]

It's not just about the speed. Compared to the racing TV tracks there's hardly any difference, but the difference is the camera angle the drone gives you. You can see the entire field and that alone gives you an edge.

TV camera angles are shocking. I have the drone footage and the TV feed both open at the same time and there's often a big difference in what you're seeing. Head to head on the TV for example when it isn't actually head to head.

I've tried tpd but I just didn't feel comfortable with it. Personally I wouldn't like to be using big stakes relying on something telling me what happening which could be slightly wrong, when I can use my own eyes and see exactly what is happening.

Also you can't trade with TPD every race as it's only certain tracks.

But that's just my own experience with it. I'm sure there's definitely an edge to be found if you look deep enough.

Not a user of TPD myself yet.

BUT

Why not use what you can see AND TPD?

I used TPD for a very brief time and I lost a bet when it got data wrong. It's very very rare that it happens but it does happen and did happen. After that I just can't rely on it.

Just factor it in to your costs.

If I'm watching live and I THINK a horse is starting to struggle, TPD could give me extra confirmation.

[ShaunWhite]

Errors in data either balance out, or it's a characteristic to exploit.

[Euler]

I find it amazing you have such great technology and people don't use it.

Can you imagine if you could map the positions of football players in the same manner, or a tennis player etc.

[Fugazi]

I find it amazing you have such great technology and people don't use it.

Can you imagine if you could map the positions of football players in the same manner, or a tennis player etc.

Probably can now they all wear a bra, just not publicly available

[DerbyTrader]

I find it amazing you have such great technology and people don't use it.

Can you imagine if you could map the positions of football players in the same manner, or a tennis player etc.

There is so much out there that is not publicly available for leisure traders, such as heart rate data for the horse.

I've seen that message a lot when I've used the drone but I don't understand it. I just thought it was another group using a different drone service. Why should you not trade via a drone when there is another one in the sky?

There's another drone outfit out there. The pictures are of a higher standard + marginally ahead of Phil's outfit. It's part of the reason why prices have decreased targeting smaller fish, they lost most of their top tier traders. The message warns trading against the top tier outfit when spotted.

[tico]

Hi
Interesting debate ..So can someone enlighten me about the drones . Do they physically hover over a race and zoom in on the geegees , are there any examples on utube ,and do all racecourses allow it . Do they relay the stuff back to a computer program or can you see the live pictures from the racecourse ???
Kind Regards
Tico

Hi after posting the above I went on Perplexity and got the following answer :


......Yes, in UK horseracing there are indeed services that offer drone feeds from racecourses. These drone feeds provide live video footage of the races, often with lower latency than traditional broadcast feeds, giving users an advantage for in-play betting. The feeds are sometimes sold via subscription services to individual punters and betting syndicates, allowing them to see the race action several seconds ahead of official TV coverage

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However, this practice is controversial and considered problematic by racecourses and regulators. The British Horseracing Authority (BHA) and the Racecourse Association (RCA) have expressed concern about unauthorized drone flights, which can infringe on broadcast rights and pose safety risks. While drones operated with permission and following Civil Aviation Authority guidelines are legal, many drones operate just outside racecourse boundaries without formal approval, making regulation difficult

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Racecourses view the unauthorized drone feeds as a threat to their revenue from broadcast rights and have been working with authorities to tackle the issue. Police have occasionally confiscated drones and taken action, but enforcement is challenging due to the drones' quick deployment and the legal complexities involved

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In summary, drone feed services do exist and are used in UK horseracing, primarily for gaining a betting advantage, but they operate in a legally and ethically gray area with ongoing efforts to regulate or restrict unauthorized drone use at racecourses.......

Sorry about Droning on a bit

[DerbyTrader]

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In summary, drone feed services do exist and are used in UK horseracing, primarily for gaining a betting advantage, but they operate in a legally and ethically gray area with ongoing efforts to regulate or restrict unauthorized drone use at racecourses.......

As mentioned above, the drone service which everyday mugs are familiar with are just trying to keep the lights on.
One person might be paying £75pw while another pays £40. They take whatever they can get, they're not even traders themselves.
The same service used to cost 5x this, which show you how much of a success it's been.

They have been tried and tested by just about every in play trader over the years.
At first they were expensive and many people paid the premium prices to see what the time delay was really like.
The pics became too available as they kept lowering the price when people left.
Whether you access the above service direct or use a reshare of it makes no difference, it's the blink of an eye.

There's very little edge to be gained from the above outfit nowadays and sports science data trumps it. Human error will always succumb to an algorithm.

I doubt the pics will be round much longer. The image quality is poor and the connection is never stable.

[Euler]

If your only edge is speed, there is almost certainly somebody who has paid more to be faster. I've never seen this as a sustainable edge.

[jamesedwards]

Drone edge is not speed. It's angle.

[Fugazi]

Drone edge is not speed. It's angle.

So you're watching who's off the bit

[Euler]

Drone edge is not speed. It's angle.

You’re hoping to see something before somebody else.

Rumour has it the first Betfair millionaire was an SIS engineer.

[Scotty66]

Drone edge is not speed. It's angle.

This. I've seen so many people use a drone feed and go crazy as they think they're 2 or 3 seconds ahead of the market, they're not and they're placing bets at poor value.

The angle is what is needed and this is exactly why you won't ever see a certain angle at a certain point during any race on the TV, racing TV or Betfair live video feed.