Family life on benefits

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Iron
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Hi Andy

No, you haven't got the wrong end of the stick. :) And I agree with you.

The guy in the article (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16812185) said that if government benefit cuts meant he'd be restricted to a mere £26,000 a year, he'd have to choose between heating and eating. The cuts would mean that he'd be on £82.40 less per week. I reckon if he cut out his Sky movies package, his weekly 24 cans of lager and 200 cigarettes, he wouldn't have to make that choice...

Jeff
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Ethanol
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Even changing 200 cigarettes to the equivalent in tobacco would save a great amount. I know plenty of people who work, but roll their own because they can't afford to buy cigarettes!
luissuarez
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... Episode_2/

The Northern Ireland version of the Scottish show the scheme, imo the one person in the show who deserves help is the one person that gets no help. Don't know whether to laugh or cry when I see people on benefits watching their 50 inch flat screen tvs, makes you wonder why any body bothers working. Btw I am aware that this show is not a reflection of everybody that claims benefits.
mister man
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karma will get you, it wont be the john lennon instant version, but it will.
enjoy while you can.
mister man
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Ethanol wrote:
mister man wrote: ferru the fellas cookers bust, fishing rod/recipes are irrelevent now aren't they !!!!!!!, yes hes stuffed but not with home cooked food.
freecycle, they want you to pick up usually, not many long term unemployed can afford a vehicle on £65 p.w...
mister man: All of your posts indicate that you have a very pessimistic view of life. Perhaps you should try being a little more optimistic, and look towards solving problems rather than creating more. ;)

If I were in the situation which you and Jeff are describing above, and I could not get a job, I'd find a way of living.

As for not being able to collect a cooker... I would hope that if I were in that situation, I'd have friends or family willing to help. If not, then I'd explain my poor and lonely existence to the person donating the item, in the hope that they'd be willing to help, or offer suggestions. Otherwise I'd only look for goods within a half-mile radius, and wheel the damn thing home myself on a sack truck - a sack truck which I'd find a way of acquiring through neighbours within my vicinity. If none of these worked out, I'd visit charity shops, and ask them for help.

No doubt you'll find flaws in all of the above scenarios, but whatever situation I were in, I'd find a way out. Put others in the same situation, and where their very survival depends on it, they will too.

ethanol all pur post indicate a very naeve view of life, perhaps you should try experiencing poverty and need before you lecture on it.
if you were in the situ your posts indicate youd drown in false positivity,soon to be followeed by intense realisation.
why dont you go on freecyle and find a cooker within half a mile of you. that will deliver. or/and find a sack truck ( ive got one ) ill lend if you cant find one.


the thought that people are fighting for their very survival as you put it, in a country rich and prosperous, many older persons who have paid thousands into the public purse, is an obsenity,you should be ashamed of.

your flaw is ignorance, and clear lack of experience in what you speak of.

hey better to be in blissful ignorance than sorrowful knowledge.
mister man
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Ferru123 wrote:
mister man wrote:ferru/ethanol

ferru the fellas cookers bust, fishing rod/recipes are irrelevent now aren't they !!!!!!!,
Not if he likes sushi! :lol: :)

Anyway, unless he's a complete sociopath, he's probably got friends and family who won't mind him using their cooker, perhaps in exchange for him doing a few odds jobs for them...

Jeff

jeff,labelling one of the many or any lonely, getting on in years, uncared for, alone man,left behind by society, struggling to cope with an outdated and morally corrupt benefits system, not getting by but for charities as a sociopath, is sick..
i repeat sick, and your smileys are not amusing in this context
god help us all
Iron
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Mister Man

It's possible to be against the state paying Frank Gallagher £30K per year so he can spend all week smoking, drinking and watching Sky Movies, and be in favour of ensuring people's basic welfare needs are met...

But there's also an issue of lack of resources. You could give more money to the unemployed, but where's the money going to come from? Do you raise taxes, borrow more money, or cut expenditure elsewhere? Or do you accept that the cupboard is bare, and you can't afford to do anything else? There are no easy answers...

Jeff

PS I'm not implying that everyone who received 30K per annum from the state is like Mr Gallagher (pictured)!
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Iron
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I said no such thing!

I was merely pointing out in a humourous way that, if our hypothetical unemployed man has friends or family, he can probably come to an arrangement with them whereby he can use their cooker...

Jeff
mister man wrote: jeff,labelling one of the many or any lonely, getting on in years, uncared for, alone man,left behind by society, struggling to cope with an outdated and morally corrupt benefits system, not getting by but for charities as a sociopath, is sick..
i repeat sick
mister man
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whilst ignoring or more possibly not having the life experience or forsight to recognise the fact he may not be fortunate enough to have that.

looking at the thread you dont seem to realise very much about the impact of poverty and unemployment on people.

fishing rods and recipes... dear god, its beyond belief (in a humorous way of course)
Iron
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Mister Man

I have been unemployed and totally skint (to the point that my landlord was dropping unsubtle hints about evicting me!), so I know first hand that it's not a barrel of laughs!

J
mister man
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again as ever you dont answer...
what about the guy as i described...
you keep saying do this or that,i know these options arent their for everyone..

its not enough to say.. ah well in that case your stuffed..

think of the implication of ah well your stuffed,for that person...
thats paid thousands in,and is getting pilloried by society etc..

tbh i find your attitude very sad for society..

fishing rods and recipes,to help old or unwell, unloved and uncared for, poor needy and desperate people,on the lowest rung of society with crap lives, and you make fun of them with your smileys...
shame on you.
id take them as neighbours over you any day..
v poor ferru,very sick
Iron
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Mister Man

I don't mock the disadvantaged - you are taking my comments out of context.

A few weeks ago, every time I went into my local Tesco's, there was a man outside, talking to himself in the freezing cold (even though he wasn't homeless). The staff told me that the police had been to see the man, but had taken no action. My guess is that PC Plod thought 'This guy isn't breaking the law, so I'll leave him to it'. I sent an email to my local police force, which I CCed to my MP, as I was concerned that this guy was needed help. As a result, he was given the support he needed, and I haven't seen him since. If you think that those are the actions of someone who doesn't give a damn about the needy, then I respectfully suggest that it's you whose world view needs changing...

Jeff
mister man
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no answer again....i see stuffed is stuffed.

well done an e-mail, hey talk to the guy,he might be desperate for a fishing rod or a recipe...
what a crock..

then agian he might be starving, alone and in need of a home, a cooker if hes got a home, or washing machine..

of course he will have a sack truck, phone,and all he needs to arrange getting it for free which is what he needs.

crock and absolute garbage..
Iron
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In Praise Of Workfare - http://order-order.com/2012/02/18/in-pr ... spiracy%29

'If you want to boycott workfare, fine, get a job. If you are young there are plenty of entry level jobs for those who want to work. Take a job, any job. No matter what your qualifications, you have to start somewhere, however lowly, it is better than making other people slave to pay you dole.'

Hear hear!

Jeff
mister man
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and if you are over 50 what then ???

hundreds of surveys many of which are on the internet,suggest that if you are out of work for longer than 6 months at age over 50 your chances now of ever working again are 1 in 10,thats of "ever" working again.
so your get a job any job doesnt apply to them as they are apassed over for younger employees.
number of under 25s on jsa 1million,number of over 50s on jsa 950,000, so just slightly less,however a far greater number have been unemployed for longer.

hear hear, if you dont give a flying fcuk for approx a third of the unemployed,and are as thick as cameron is.
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