No one willing to do direct comparisons? I am certain there are people on here who already collect the raw data needed and others who could easily add the collection of it.
Much better to get actual data I would think than 'feelings'.
If someone provides the required excel stuff for collection I am happy to run it while I am doing my work each day if it is data allowances that is holding people back from doing it.
Betdaq volume monitoring thread
I would happily do it if I could get the amounts matched per odds, i.e this part..
You could just take the SP as the average price but if you have a late drifter/steamer it is not going to be very accurate.4. Multiply the halved amounts matched by the prices they were matched at with 1 taken off eg. £5,000 x 3.0 = £15,000
Here we go then. I had collected a days data a couple weeks ago, but didn't get round to compiling it. Then after Andy's constant pestering I decided to collect another day today 
. It's more work than just splatting out numbers though, as a fair amount of time goes into organising it.
To start off, here's an exert of numbers I collected from back in July 2011 just when PC3 came into force. (You can refresh your memory here: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=3630&start=150)
These amounts are in Betdaq's method of calculation for last 10 mins before the scheduled off time.
Here are the two days I collected recently:
The first column is Betfair volume 10 mins pre-off collected as Betfair's stake method. The second column (BF as BD) is Betfair volume converted to Betdaq's liability method, and the last column is Betdaq's volume.
So in the two sample days, I have to say volume-wise things look very similar to over 2 years ago. Of course we're comparing different seasons here.
In the end, volume doesn't show the whole picture since, like Peter W, I have suddenly found that a strategy that didn't previously work is now working for me on Betdaq.
. It's more work than just splatting out numbers though, as a fair amount of time goes into organising it.To start off, here's an exert of numbers I collected from back in July 2011 just when PC3 came into force. (You can refresh your memory here: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=3630&start=150)
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Betfair Betdaq
11/07/2011 40,814,893 3,793,391 9%
12/07/2011 53,259,295 4,565,514 9%
14/07/2011 50,197,199 5,019,784 10%
18/07/2011 32,531,864 5,538,041 17%
19/07/2011 37,830,923 5,917,488 16%
21/07/2011 45,026,465 6,811,765 15%
29/07/2011 62,343,713 11,439,640 18%
Here are the two days I collected recently:
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BF BF as BD BD
Fri 15/11/2013 12,976,395 45,589,529 4,837,263 11%
Mon 02/12/2013 7,729,548 26,220,456 2,752,589 10%
So in the two sample days, I have to say volume-wise things look very similar to over 2 years ago. Of course we're comparing different seasons here.
In the end, volume doesn't show the whole picture since, like Peter W, I have suddenly found that a strategy that didn't previously work is now working for me on Betdaq.
Here are the two days complete break down if it's of any interest:
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BF BF_BD BD
Wolv 15th Nov 16:00:00 421,307 1,083,553 53,020 5%
Wolv 15th Nov 16:30:00 266,862 733,087 52,465 7%
Wolv 15th Nov 17:00:00 379,574 1,196,713 76,799 6%
Wolv 15th Nov 17:30:00 284,389 1,062,643 66,262 6%
Wolv 15th Nov 18:00:00 225,452 1,062,830 88,186 8%
Wolv 15th Nov 19:00:00 371,969 1,075,651 68,884 6%
Wolv 15th Nov 19:30:00 226,607 911,332 51,432 6%
Ling 15th Nov 11:55:00 183,302 689,253 73,676 11%
Ling 15th Nov 12:25:00 388,954 1,099,249 88,572 8%
Ling 15th Nov 12:55:00 455,630 1,366,162 192,532 14%
Ling 15th Nov 13:25:00 366,442 1,192,526 80,811 7%
Ling 15th Nov 13:55:00 410,902 1,552,272 95,114 6%
Ling 15th Nov 14:30:00 373,497 1,602,816 85,657 5%
Ling 15th Nov 15:05:00 589,967 1,990,543 197,509 10%
Ling 15th Nov 15:40:00 581,441 1,327,247 87,712 7%
Chelt 15th Nov 13:05:00 528,364 1,861,588 286,277 15%
Chelt 15th Nov 13:35:00 375,860 2,387,087 338,017 14%
Chelt 15th Nov 14:05:00 786,152 1,500,181 178,882 12%
Chelt 15th Nov 14:40:00 621,434 4,019,644 564,443 14%
Chelt 15th Nov 15:15:00 738,315 2,605,049 345,319 13%
Chelt 15th Nov 15:50:00 685,800 3,438,659 546,671 16%
Newc 15th Nov 12:10:00 195,532 1,225,445 149,107 12%
Newc 15th Nov 12:40:00 459,703 822,120 60,276 7%
Newc 15th Nov 13:15:00 366,861 1,254,308 255,122 20%
Newc 15th Nov 13:45:00 351,099 944,640 90,093 10%
Newc 15th Nov 14:15:00 207,124 958,952 83,374 9%
Newc 15th Nov 14:50:00 566,759 1,200,734 106,111 9%
Newc 15th Nov 15:25:00 159,077 836,186 91,862 11%
Dund 15th Nov 17:45:00 176,258 487,129 43,883 9%
Dund 15th Nov 18:15:00 145,876 616,849 62,398 10%
Dund 15th Nov 18:45:00 336,176 894,580 52,850 6%
Dund 15th Nov 19:15:00 175,383 554,320 47,852 9%
Dund 15th Nov 19:45:00 117,235 584,231 35,428 6%
Dund 15th Nov 20:15:00 109,973 419,013 41,041 10%
Dund 15th Nov 20:45:00 214,217 481,392 41,037 9%
Dund 15th Nov 21:15:00 132,905 551,545 58,589 11%
12,976,395 45,589,529 4,837,263 11%
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BF BF_BD BD
Kemp 2nd Dec 14:20:00 221,270 1,156,832 143,599 12%
Kemp 2nd Dec 14:50:00 372,504 1,469,780 361,082 25%
Kemp 2nd Dec 15:20:00 259,541 1,155,252 192,890 17%
Kemp 2nd Dec 15:50:00 173,573 973,554 67,898 7%
Kemp 2nd Dec 16:20:00 312,056 1,634,621 163,583 10%
Kemp 2nd Dec 16:50:00 279,706 661,723 55,014 8%
Kemp 2nd Dec 17:20:00 271,741 1,404,596 102,230 7%
Kemp 2nd Dec 17:50:00 200,091 1,037,240 94,022 9%
Wolv 2nd Dec 12:55:00 332,803 1,412,777 164,997 12%
Wolv 2nd Dec 13:25:00 422,872 1,082,639 65,389 6%
Wolv 2nd Dec 13:55:00 377,006 1,193,668 92,769 8%
Wolv 2nd Dec 14:30:00 573,618 1,197,057 73,314 6%
Wolv 2nd Dec 15:00:00 541,313 1,391,115 136,062 10%
Wolv 2nd Dec 15:30:00 385,011 1,240,714 92,150 7%
Wolv 2nd Dec 16:05:00 335,907 1,404,306 102,399 7%
Plump 2nd Dec 12:40:00 199,970 1,274,328 143,403 11%
Plump 2nd Dec 13:10:00 350,476 428,940 45,388 11%
Plump 2nd Dec 13:40:00 403,919 897,623 87,111 10%
Plump 2nd Dec 14:10:00 418,346 1,293,520 168,618 13%
Plump 2nd Dec 14:40:00 445,730 2,147,383 240,484 11%
Plump 2nd Dec 15:10:00 341,481 643,303 59,179 9%
Plump 2nd Dec 15:40:00 510,612 1,119,487 101,008 9%
7,729,548 26,220,456 2,752,589 10%
a bit off topic but important
... we are writing to inform you that as of December 3rd we are relocating the BETDAQ website from Alderney to Gibraltar and the BETDAQ website will, from that date, be licensed by the Gibraltar Gambling Division
...The way you use the BETDAQ website and your experience of the products and services we provide should not materially change in any way as a result of these changes although you should note that we have made some minor amendments to Part 3 – BETDAQ Rules.
...from December 3rd you will be deemed to have accepted these new terms and conditions.
... we are writing to inform you that as of December 3rd we are relocating the BETDAQ website from Alderney to Gibraltar and the BETDAQ website will, from that date, be licensed by the Gibraltar Gambling Division
...The way you use the BETDAQ website and your experience of the products and services we provide should not materially change in any way as a result of these changes although you should note that we have made some minor amendments to Part 3 – BETDAQ Rules.
...from December 3rd you will be deemed to have accepted these new terms and conditions.
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andyfuller
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Cheers for the posts on volume - I am sure it does take time and effort to collect and calculate the data so thanks for spending the time on it. The comparison is interesting, obviously firm conclusions can not be drawn for the reasons you highlight but it is interesting non the less.
With regards to the relocating of the servers, would that be to do with bringing the newly acquired Betdaq side of the business in line with the rest of Ladbrokes online division which I believe from memory is already Gibraltar based?
With regards to the relocating of the servers, would that be to do with bringing the newly acquired Betdaq side of the business in line with the rest of Ladbrokes online division which I believe from memory is already Gibraltar based?
that is great data! I was hoping and it certainly felt like the difference was a lot closer to that. I had it somewhere around 25% especially considering after pc3 it was up almost at 20%!! For the bigger races it is definitely getting better though. Yesterday it felt thin but over the weekend it felt quite good so maybe there is a lot of variation at the moment. There may be more recreational money in there so...evenings and weekends higher volume coming from the ladbrokes side of things.
Collected one more day's data yesterday to see if Saturdays were particularly different.
As before, this is for volume in the 10 mins before scheduled off.
Full stats for each race:
As before, this is for volume in the 10 mins before scheduled off.
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BF BF_BD BD
07/12/2013 11,337,137 38,294,472 4,428,031 12%
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BF BF_BD BD
Aint 7th Dec 12:00:00 212,573 627,676 94,095 15%
Aint 7th Dec 12:30:00 263,298 554,105 72,279 13%
Aint 7th Dec 13:00:00 221,375 906,487 97,221 11%
Aint 7th Dec 13:30:00 159,948 579,448 74,377 13%
Aint 7th Dec 14:40:00 386,455 1,004,377 147,606 15%
Aint 7th Dec 15:15:00 260,529 1,792,860 197,390 11%
Chep 7th Dec 12:25:00 197,947 719,588 172,364 24%
Chep 7th Dec 12:55:00 155,239 428,978 66,599 16%
Chep 7th Dec 13:25:00 169,487 370,967 72,149 19%
Chep 7th Dec 14:00:00 258,049 858,387 70,698 8%
Chep 7th Dec 14:35:00 327,955 1,601,192 145,204 9%
Chep 7th Dec 15:10:00 479,295 1,543,003 114,242 7%
Chep 7th Dec 15:45:00 376,953 871,306 73,629 8%
Navan 7th Dec 12:45:00 152,497 466,617 63,362 14%
Navan 7th Dec 13:15:00 263,267 409,341 143,232 35%
Navan 7th Dec 14:20:00 200,947 307,418 39,272 13%
Navan 7th Dec 14:55:00 52,149 295,891 59,887 20%
Navan 7th Dec 15:30:00 191,665 630,062 80,036 13%
Sand 7th Dec 12:20:00 405,483 1,196,722 208,919 17%
Sand 7th Dec 12:50:00 245,038 1,142,700 171,344 15%
Sand 7th Dec 13:20:00 343,749 1,902,243 163,009 9%
Sand 7th Dec 13:50:00 457,451 1,209,621 110,608 9%
Sand 7th Dec 14:25:00 479,621 2,488,419 355,486 14%
Sand 7th Dec 15:00:00 613,117 2,103,000 240,461 11%
Sand 7th Dec 15:35:00 436,542 2,388,616 278,221 12%
Weth 7th Dec 12:10:00 225,366 949,004 124,898 13%
Weth 7th Dec 12:40:00 318,711 1,049,691 86,399 8%
Weth 7th Dec 13:10:00 350,433 1,154,175 95,581 8%
Weth 7th Dec 13:40:00 455,277 1,069,510 76,685 7%
Weth 7th Dec 14:15:00 287,205 1,059,880 92,076 9%
Weth 7th Dec 14:50:00 337,774 983,260 91,513 9%
Weth 7th Dec 15:25:00 186,150 872,496 113,874 13%
Wolv 7th Dec 18:20:00 247,039 517,986 50,605 10%
Wolv 7th Dec 18:50:00 371,351 743,721 60,592 8%
Wolv 7th Dec 19:20:00 317,149 744,324 61,793 8%
Wolv 7th Dec 19:50:00 186,003 543,838 39,780 7%
Wolv 7th Dec 20:20:00 300,161 728,660 81,776 11%
Wolv 7th Dec 20:50:00 213,225 785,294 86,635 11%
Wolv 7th Dec 21:20:00 230,666 693,606 54,134 8%
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andyfuller
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Cheers for that.
It is rather disappointing that the % is still so low on BD. Doesn't bode well for the future.
It is rather disappointing that the % is still so low on BD. Doesn't bode well for the future.