Champions league
Is this article that came out on the BBC today a coincidence?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-ma ... r-16054633
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-ma ... r-16054633
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SilentDave
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Re. United's interest payments I saw an interesting tweet yesterday from Andy Green (andersred):-
Number of players on Sneijder's reported €230k pw wage demand United could have paid from last year's interest bill? FIVE
Number of players on Sneijder's reported €230k pw wage demand United could have paid from last year's interest bill? FIVE
I wonder if the Glazers would ever contemplate sacking Sir Alex Ferguson?
If a manager is deemed unsackable, a bit like Wenger, it can sometimes lead to staleness. It sounds a bit dramatic I know, but I'm just momentarily putting myself in their shoes
If a manager is deemed unsackable, a bit like Wenger, it can sometimes lead to staleness. It sounds a bit dramatic I know, but I'm just momentarily putting myself in their shoes
It ain't gonna happen - Sir Alex would have to SERIOUSLY screw up to lose his job.
He still has passion and hunger, he's loved by the fans, and he has a group of players who play well under him. This season hasn't started brilliantly by United standards, but we're second in the Premiership, behind only a side that spent something like £750 million on talent.
United would have to go for several years without winning anything before sacking Fergie was considered an option. If you went to your local bookie, I bet you could get odds of 250-1 on Fergie getting sacked this season or next!
That said, unless United manage to find a super-rich Arab buyer, it's just a matter of time before Chelsea and City's wealth mean that they overtake us on the pitch. IMHO, all City are missing right now is a genius - a player like Messi or Ronaldo who can mix things up on the pitch, as well as being technically brilliant and able to score for fun... OK, they've got Tevez, but I don't think he'll be playing for them anytime soon!
Jeff
He still has passion and hunger, he's loved by the fans, and he has a group of players who play well under him. This season hasn't started brilliantly by United standards, but we're second in the Premiership, behind only a side that spent something like £750 million on talent.
United would have to go for several years without winning anything before sacking Fergie was considered an option. If you went to your local bookie, I bet you could get odds of 250-1 on Fergie getting sacked this season or next!
That said, unless United manage to find a super-rich Arab buyer, it's just a matter of time before Chelsea and City's wealth mean that they overtake us on the pitch. IMHO, all City are missing right now is a genius - a player like Messi or Ronaldo who can mix things up on the pitch, as well as being technically brilliant and able to score for fun... OK, they've got Tevez, but I don't think he'll be playing for them anytime soon!
Jeff
The reason I suggested it Jeff, is because the Glazers have been proven not to be bothered about winning popularity contests.
They know Man City have more money, and despite their CL failure, appear to be overtaking United.
This cannot continue in their eyes, and if they feel there needs fresh blood at the top, I wouldn't be surprised to see them make a change at the end of the season, especially if United win nothing and the much coveted Mourinho leaves Real
They know Man City have more money, and despite their CL failure, appear to be overtaking United.
This cannot continue in their eyes, and if they feel there needs fresh blood at the top, I wouldn't be surprised to see them make a change at the end of the season, especially if United win nothing and the much coveted Mourinho leaves Real
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SilentDave
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United are falling behind not due to Ferguson's powers being on the wane but because they can't compete financially.
In central midfield last night United had a 38 year old winger and a 19 year old defender. That tells a story.
It is testament to Ferguson's enduring genius that he managed to win the title last season with the squad at his disposal. He's also right on City's coat tails this season.
The Glazer's need to realise that they have to invest or they will see United's revenues decline as they decline on the pitch.
In central midfield last night United had a 38 year old winger and a 19 year old defender. That tells a story.
It is testament to Ferguson's enduring genius that he managed to win the title last season with the squad at his disposal. He's also right on City's coat tails this season.
The Glazer's need to realise that they have to invest or they will see United's revenues decline as they decline on the pitch.
I agree that the Glazers aren't bothered about what the fans think.LeTiss 4pm wrote:The reason I suggested it Jeff, is because the Glazers have been proven not to be bothered about winning popularity contests.
But it makes no sense to sack the most successful manager in Premiership history the season after they won the Premiership. And it's not like Fergie is going off the rails and making crazy decisions. He's up against the fact that two teams in the Premiership have far greater wealth than United, and there's only so much any manager can do to stem the tide...
And who would you replace him with? Morinho and Giordiola are possibly the most successful managers in club football recent years apart from Fergie, but I imagine they are very happy at Real Madrid and Barcelona...
Jeff
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For the Glazers, football is (understandably IMHO) a business, whereas for Abramovic and the guys funding City, it's a hobby that they're willing to throw mindboggling sums of money at.SilentDave wrote:The Glazer's need to realise that they have to invest or they will see United's revenues decline as they decline on the pitch.
As a result, it's just a matter of time before Man U become the Premiership's third strongest side...
Jeff
Not sure why this can be really seen as Ferguson's fault to be honest,
the senior players are clearly getting on abit and the youngsters arn't quite good enough yet.
but if you have no money to spend, then you have no choice but to be patient,
there's always going to be a transitional period, but they will bounce back in time as always.
the senior players are clearly getting on abit and the youngsters arn't quite good enough yet.
but if you have no money to spend, then you have no choice but to be patient,
there's always going to be a transitional period, but they will bounce back in time as always.
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SilentDave
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Jeff, I agree the Glazers run United as a business but the only way they can ever hope of making a profit (probably by selling the club on) is if there is continued success on the pitch. To achieve this they need to invest in the team. I don't think United are that far away but they need a creative spark in midfield and a decent holding midfielder (I actually think Carrick can play the holding role well but I'm probably the only one who does!)
As soon as the silverware dries up so does the CL TV money and the lucrative sponsorship deals etc.
Fortunes can change very quickly.
As soon as the silverware dries up so does the CL TV money and the lucrative sponsorship deals etc.
Fortunes can change very quickly.
I don't think Man Utd's finances are as bad as people think, they may have an enormous nous of debt around their neck but they can easily meet that and still make considerable investment in the squad (albeit not like city's crazy levels) - last transfer window they left a pretty large reported transfer kitty untouched as Fergie said he couldnt find any value. Without the debt they'd be raking in nearly 100m profit annually!
I think the top clubs that try to live relatively within their means need to get together and form some kind of union to put pressure on Uefa to really do something about these sugar daddy oil rich clubs. There seems to be one springing up in almost every country, Malaga are now arab funded in la liga, PSG have been handed huge riches in France and there's a russian club whos name I forget. Once there are enough of these oil clubs together they can form a very powerful (and obviously weathly) group and will be able to influence uefa and fifa themselves.
It can't be good for the long term interests of the 'sport' having teams who can just buy success. The knock on effect is that many other clubs like Liverpool spend beyond their means and nearly end up in administration, let alone clubs like Arsenal and Tottenham who find themselves lower down the pecking order despite pretty admirable on the pitch performance compared to how much money they spend. These clubs should get together and do something about it.
I think the top clubs that try to live relatively within their means need to get together and form some kind of union to put pressure on Uefa to really do something about these sugar daddy oil rich clubs. There seems to be one springing up in almost every country, Malaga are now arab funded in la liga, PSG have been handed huge riches in France and there's a russian club whos name I forget. Once there are enough of these oil clubs together they can form a very powerful (and obviously weathly) group and will be able to influence uefa and fifa themselves.
It can't be good for the long term interests of the 'sport' having teams who can just buy success. The knock on effect is that many other clubs like Liverpool spend beyond their means and nearly end up in administration, let alone clubs like Arsenal and Tottenham who find themselves lower down the pecking order despite pretty admirable on the pitch performance compared to how much money they spend. These clubs should get together and do something about it.
It's nothing the debt IPO won't sort out!Euler wrote: Perhaps we should start a Man Utd debt crisis thread?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-1 ... roval.html
Jeff