Back the Likely Winner Automation Bot for Horse Racing

[TallblokeUK]

I'm, wondering if it is worth backing more pre-off or not, might test that in practice mode to see what it does

[TallblokeUK]

I'm, wondering if it is worth backing more pre-off or not, might test that in practice mode to see what it does

Oh..and races starting late, that would surely mess things a bit?

[iggypop37]

also the sprint races maybe the ones to cause a loss as they are fast races all closing at the end
need a rule where as no bet if 2 runners are there at the end
also need a rule that if a selection remains the favourite all the race

in theory back the likely winner should go on in the last few seconds anyway, at least the original version did - most of the time. I have had a very low odds-on fav where the likely winner bet went on before half - distance and it then got turned over right at the end.

There is a database somewhere showing typical times for races at different tracks. In theory you would have a different piece of automation for every race length at every track - certainly for sprints - and you could time it so the rule was active after a certain time eg last 1/4 of or 1/5 race in play time.

as regards 2 runners there at the end I think Dallas said to put a condition on second placed horse being over 2.00 or similar for your final bet to go on.

but its very hard to cover all eventualities ...

as regards checking to see if fav has been the fav all race that is more tricky. probably best to do it via signals - somehow ... Maybe better minds than mine can have a think

[iggypop37]

as regards checking to see if fav has been the fav all race that is more tricky. probably best to do it via signals - somehow ... Maybe better minds than mine can have a think

Got it . I think.

if you had a signal named 'fav' and used a counter for betangel to check 1st placed horse every couple of seconds and to increment the signal value on that horse accordingly you would soon get a picture of how dominant the horse has been by the signal value when the bet goes on. Again it goes back to race length. Or I suppose you could put a condition on the fav value for all other runners being zero ?

[TallblokeUK]

as regards 2 runners there at the end I think Dallas said to put a condition on second placed horse being over 2.00 or similar for your final bet to go on.

Yup, I've got that running as well.

To be honest the in play back bet is more of a "hedge" that could mitigate some loss rather then make a profit... or at least that is what it seems like!

[Dallas]

also the sprint races maybe the ones to cause a loss as they are fast races all closing at the end
need a rule where as no bet if 2 runners are there at the end
also need a rule that if a selection remains the favourite all the race

in theory back the likely winner should go on in the last few seconds anyway, at least the original version did - most of the time. I have had a very low odds-on fav where the likely winner bet went on before half - distance and it then got turned over right at the end.

There is a database somewhere showing typical times for races at different tracks. In theory you would have a different piece of automation for every race length at every track - certainly for sprints - and you could time it so the rule was active after a certain time eg last 1/4 of or 1/5 race in play time.

as regards 2 runners there at the end I think Dallas said to put a condition on second placed horse being over 2.00 or similar for your final bet to go on.

but its very hard to cover all eventualities ...

as regards checking to see if fav has been the fav all race that is more tricky. probably best to do it via signals - somehow ... Maybe better minds than mine can have a think

Just looked in on these last few posts and spotted your last paragraph, you are indeed right about signals for this and there's another example that does exactly that which you can download from here
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=15573

It looks from 10secs into a race but you can edit that to start looking at the off or pre-off or whenever you want


Also 2nd post of this thread has a spreadsheet with the standard times for all distances and courses
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=11627

[elofan0]

there is some good input on this by all ... though the closing of the race especially in a sprint can change dramatically .. as a guide its roughly about 12 secs a furlong depending on the course

[SusieL]

If the last traded price of the leading horse is 1.25 and I ask for the best price when it reaches 1.25 - is there a way to ensure that price is 1.25 or less? i.e if the best price actually goes above 1.25 I want to reject it. Thanks

[Dallas]

If the last traded price of the leading horse is 1.25 and I ask for the best price when it reaches 1.25 - is there a way to ensure that price is 1.25 or less? i.e if the best price actually goes above 1.25 I want to reject it. Thanks

Short answer is no

You can ask it to trigger and place the bet once the price has hit 1.25 (then hope its matched)

But if the price starts to drift during Betfair 1 second in-running bet delay you will be matched at whatever the best price is

Ignoring the in-play delay part your basically asking if the bet can be returned/cancelled if the price drifts straight after you've backed it

[nodina21]

This is a basic Guardian automation bot for use on Horse Racing markets.

The bot will place a £10 Back bet @ 1.20 on which ever runners odds trade as low as 1.35 first and should therefore be the likely winner of the race.

I should point out with this particular rule that horses do still get beat despite looking certain to win a race so I would advise that users add some conditions to this rule to minimize the chances of a loss.

To use the file just click on the Back the Likely Winner.Baf attachment link below and this will download it to your computer, then with guardian open on the "Automation" tab click "Import a Rules File" as shown in the image, once imported it will now appear in the drop down box just above, you can now apply it to any markets you have added into guardian.

The stake size can be edited very easily by clicking on "Edit Rules File" then click on the "Parameters" tab.

Additional parts/conditions can also be added or removed from the bot as you build it into your own bespoke automation file.

With any automation bot always run in practice mode first to ensure everything is working fine, and repeat this each time you make any changes.


To see a video tutorial on how to download and import an automation file into your Bet Angel please see this link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7Im4pj683g

Hello Dallas,

Thank you for the above. Would it be possible to add another condition to this bot.
So, a horse, say horse A, reaches 1.35 and the rule kicks in. I would like now to set another condition as follows: If this horse's odds go out to say 1.80, I would like to place a lay bet to minimise the loss.

I was thinking how to do this and some ideas with offsetting popped into my head but my problem was how to tell the bot which horse to lay the bet on.

Thank you in advance.
Dino - new member

[Dallas]

This is a basic Guardian automation bot for use on Horse Racing markets.

The bot will place a £10 Back bet @ 1.20 on which ever runners odds trade as low as 1.35 first and should therefore be the likely winner of the race.

I should point out with this particular rule that horses do still get beat despite looking certain to win a race so I would advise that users add some conditions to this rule to minimize the chances of a loss.

To use the file just click on the Back the Likely Winner.Baf attachment link below and this will download it to your computer, then with guardian open on the "Automation" tab click "Import a Rules File" as shown in the image, once imported it will now appear in the drop down box just above, you can now apply it to any markets you have added into guardian.

The stake size can be edited very easily by clicking on "Edit Rules File" then click on the "Parameters" tab.

Additional parts/conditions can also be added or removed from the bot as you build it into your own bespoke automation file.

With any automation bot always run in practice mode first to ensure everything is working fine, and repeat this each time you make any changes.


To see a video tutorial on how to download and import an automation file into your Bet Angel please see this link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7Im4pj683g

Hello Dallas,

Thank you for the above. Would it be possible to add another condition to this bot.
So, a horse, say horse A, reaches 1.35 and the rule kicks in. I would like now to set another condition as follows: If this horse's odds go out to say 1.80, I would like to place a lay bet to minimise the loss.

I was thinking how to do this and some ideas with offsetting popped into my head but my problem was how to tell the bot which horse to lay the bet on.

Thank you in advance.
Dino - new member

Yes, you could add a 'Close Trade on Selection with Greening' rule
applied to 'ANY' selection

with the following two conditions
Fixed Odds Condition
Selections back price is greater than 1.80

Number of place bet triggers condition
on selection is greater than 0

That will instruct the rule to only trigger on a selection if has already had a bet placed on it (ie, the back bet)

[nodina21]

Hello Dallas,

Thank you for your speedy reply.

I assume I need to go to Condition tab. If so, I can not find 'Close Trade on Selection" in drop down menu.

I can find Close Trade Profit condition". though.

Apologies if I am missing something obvious.

Kind Regards,
Dino.

[Dallas]

Hello Dallas,

Thank you for your speedy reply.

I assume I need to go to Condition tab. If so, I can not find 'Close Trade on Selection" in drop down menu.

I can find Close Trade Profit condition". though.

Apologies if I am missing something obvious.

Kind Regards,
Dino.

No its a new rule you need to add, at the top of the rules editor window click the 'Green plus' icon
You can then begin adding another rule to the file

The first two lines of my reply are done on the 'General' tab, the 'Close Trade on Selection with Greening' is about the 9th rule down in the list
https://www.betangel.com/user-guide/rule_types.html

I should of said in my last reply but while on this General tab I'd set this rule to trigger at least 3 times, re-arming every 2 or 3 seconds


On the Parameters tab, just leave it set 'best market price'

Then move onto the Conditions tab and add the two conditions advised previously


The existing back bet rule doesn't need to be touched, your just adding an additional rule to exit the trade if once backed it bounces back out above 1.80 (or whatever odds you specify)

[nodina21]

Thank you very much Dallas. All updated as advised and now fingers crossed!!

[Dallas]

Thank you very much Dallas. All updated as advised and now fingers crossed!!

No probs
Make sure to run it in practice mode first until you know you have it right

If its not working post a few screenshots of the 'General' and 'Conditions' tab of the new rule and i'll double check the settings you've used