Felt this was a new low from ESPN yesterday, they took ages to apologize : https://twitter.com/N17ewan/status/1323 ... 79553?s=20Trader Pat wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:46 pmThe power of hypocrisy more like.
Just like most 'journalists', pundits, commentators etc... they all make a hypocrite of themselves eventually
My bad on misreading/misunderstanding that one.firlandsfarm wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:07 pmAs per Korattt's post I wasn't saying he was lucky at Porto, I was saying Porto was 'lucky' to have him same as Korattt was saying "Liverpool have got lucky with Plopp ... United got lucky with SAF" and Arsenal were 'lucky' with AW.Kafkaesque wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:20 amI'll straight out make the claim that you didn't watch Mourinho's Porto very much, if you say that was lucky.
I'm sorry but that is utter crap. Based on nothing more than a football view with seems to me to be based on the English game and the abnormality of Ferguson's and Wenger's longevity. Outside of Ancelotti's run at Milan and Hitzfeld at Dortmund/Bayern, I can't think of a modern day manager who "able to keep" his job for more than a few years. If they're lucky, they'll last 4-5 years.firlandsfarm wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:07 pmAnyway I just wouldn't put him in the same class as SAF and AW. Klopp still needs to prove himself though he is off to a good start (as Moaniho was) ... I did put Moaniho as being 'next' but not quite there partly because I agree with Korattt's comment that to really make it you need to set up a home and do it regularly. Most managers make an initial impact (Moyes excluded!). I think this could be a reason why many managers last 2 - 3 years and then move on. The difference between a good manager and a great one is the ability to keep it going for years after. Klopp hasn't been at 'pool long enough and Moaniho has never managed to stay at a club long enough to show he can do it.
) and 2 Champions Leagues, which is fair. And the power of football being subjective as a mother f***er. Which is fine. It's part of what makes it an awesome spectacle.
Funny thing about that is the guy on the right whose name I cant remember thats calling Harry Kane boring, that guy would put you to sleep!Kai wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:57 pmFelt this was a new low from ESPN yesterday, they took ages to apologize : https://twitter.com/N17ewan/status/1323 ... 79553?s=20Trader Pat wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:46 pmThe power of hypocrisy more like.
Just like most 'journalists', pundits, commentators etc... they all make a hypocrite of themselves eventually
That's the England captain they're talking about, it's one thing if us random fans call him a mouthbreather or something but heads should roll for that one.
As a Liverpool fan though I have to say the Salah incident was a penalty, foul and dive all at the same time!Kafkaesque wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:16 pmAnd the power of football being subjective as a mother f***er. Which is fine. It's part of what makes it an awesome spectacle.
Those journalist's/former refs are not making split second decisions, and are not making decisions at the time being on the clock in terms of keeping fans and media happy with the delay.
They've had all night to come up with an opinion. And yet they come up with an opinion, where in all three cases just about 50% of fans/readers will say, what are you talking about? How many more of these spots, does the powers that be in football need, before realising that football isn't going to fair and neutral, and therefore will never be complete with match time decisions that are fair and neutral.
well we all have our own ways of evaluating performance 
That's the problem I find with these "best this" and "best that" polls. At the end of the day it doesn't count for anything other than to chat about over a beer! 
firlandsfarm wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:07 pmAnd if he's that good why can't he hold a job down for more than a couple of years.
firlandsfarm wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:07 pmYou need to set up a home and do it regularly [....]The difference between a good manager and a great one is the ability to keep it going for years after.
firlandsfarm wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:21 pm
You have your views, I have mine ... don't see the need to get personal. Go in peace.Kafkaesque wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 3:20 pmLet's see if I can piece this puzzle together
firlandsfarm wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:07 pmAnd if he's that good why can't he hold a job down for more than a couple of years.firlandsfarm wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:07 pmYou need to set up a home and do it regularly [....]The difference between a good manager and a great one is the ability to keep it going for years after.
An interlude of me listing a lineup of - but not complete list - of manager who're broadly - subjectively - considered greats, and with a list of honours which should make them strong candidates to be greats, also objectively.
All of who never set up a home (in your definition thereof, anyway), but by and large changed scenarie at the same pace as Mourinho.
Cue this...
firlandsfarm wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:21 pm
Personal bias ---> Find a premise to support that bias ----> If the premise is challenged, skip to a different take, a strawman or if all else fails talk about beer.
I can't be sure, but I feel like I've seen the same logic in other non-trading threads.
