Greyhound Mystique

[Archery1969]

These are my BTL Trades for Fri Feb 07:

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Henlow
08:43   A8   6   Calico Dinky
09:02   A8   6   Makeit A Memory
10:23   A6   2   Tyra Lolo

Swindon
11:11   A9   3   Crinkill Patch
12:11   A4   3   Crypto Blues
12:26   A3   3   Adrigole Hawk
13:27   A4   3   Geelo Eddy

Harlow
11:12   D4   1   Ooaar Mammamia
12:44   A7   2   A Bit Of Respect
13:14   A5   2   Salems Nebraska

Kinsley
11:19   HP   5   Old Fort Orbit
11:48   HP   5   Newinn Trump
13:51   A6   5   Skiproe Jen

Newcastle
15:07   A8   1   Sydneys Flamingo
16:07   A7   5   Watermill Bluesy

Monmore
14:22   A4   5   Monsignor Unity
16:19   A8   1   Supreme London
16:39   A7   2   Holycross Avril
18:09   A6   2   Gunfire

Crayford
14:32   A8   3   Geneva Sheba
14:52   A8   2   Tullovin Charlie
17:08   A7   6   Corrin Havanna
18:02   H1   2   Swift Loki

Nottingham
18:22   A2   1   Ashgrove Raven
18:39   A2   2   Hopalong Eleni
19:09   A2   1   Ballydoyle Jones
20:29   HP   6   Our Pit Pony
20:44   HP   5   Haddington Mary
20:59   A7   6   Sporty Melody
21:14   A3   6   Frainey Hilbilly

Central Park
18:49   D3   2   Velvet Sparkles
19:07   A2   4   Buddy Flo
20:42   D1   6   Esquire Basil

Sheffield
19:40   A7   2   Herons Reach

Sunderland
19:42   A3   4   Witton Sapphire

Peterborough
20:05   A9   6   Swift Hadassa

These are my LTB Trades for Fri Feb 07:

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Henlow
09:02   A8   2   Savana Rohan
10:07   A7   5   Keeperhill Gypsy

Swindon
11:26   A6   3   Geelo Cool
12:26   A3   4   Jet Stream News
12:57   A8   2   Brickfield Molly

Harlow
13:14   A5   5   Watson

Kinsley
11:48   HP   1   Mossie Paws
13:51   A6   6   Glenadda Blanco

Newcastle
14:08   A4   5   A Bit Of Farloe
14:27   HP   1   Drop The Pilot
15:07   A8   5   Rush Of Blood
15:47   A2   4   In The Gap
16:07   A7   4   Lisneal Jax
17:56   A3   6   Alnwick Tia

Monmore
14:22   A4   1   Holte End Olivia
15:39   A1   5   Ballydorgan Mo
16:19   A8   4   Daryanoor Cubic
16:39   A7   4   At Last

Crayford
14:32   A8   4   Da Looper
17:08   A7   2   Droopys Epic
18:02   H1   1   Carrigoon Swift

Nottingham
18:39   A2   6   Swift Maddox
19:09   A2   3   Plaza Aero
20:29   HP   1   Totaly In Motion
20:44   HP   3   Honour Gladiator
20:59   A7   4   Honour Sunshine
21:14   A3   5   Tickity Gucci

Central Park
18:49   D3   6   Feen Queen
19:07   A2   2   Hollyoak Hector
20:27   HD1   5   Geelo Big Heart
20:42   D1   2   Ballymac Onslo

Sheffield
20:25   A2   1   Sharpys Mustard

Sunderland
19:42   A3   5   White Streak

Peterborough
21:30   A8   2   Pretty Polly

[wearthefoxhat]

Interesting that there's a delay at Henlow this morning...

But the bots keep botting! Around 2 mins before the off, then stop just before the off time, similar volumes each time.

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[wearthefoxhat]

For the L2B -Trimming down some A-graded races, and expanding into the sprints and open races arena today.

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[Archery1969]

Another thing to make note of when trading greyhounds is how much a reversal can happen when the following is true, i am sure this happpens on all markets but on the greys it can be a huge swing...

- At the 1m 30 s mark the favourite has traded from a high of >= 4 to a low of <= 2 OR from a high of >= 5 to a low of <= 3

Often, depending on the market and amount matched it can be >= 15 ticks.

I assume this is backers taking their profits which causes the price to rise back up.

[Archery1969]

I hope the fav wins the 22:13 at Romford otheriwse there will be some pissed of people.

43k matched with 35k on the favourite being Trap 5.

[Jukebox]

I think some wires might have got crossed by 24hrs. Looks like its getting scrubbed clean.
Slaneyside Izzy won the 22:13 tonight!

[Archery1969]

I think some wires might have got crossed by 24hrs. Looks like its getting scrubbed clean.
Slaneyside Izzy won the 22:13 tonight!

Wires crossed ?

[Archery1969]

These are my BTL Trades for Sat Feb 08:

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Romford
10:29   A4   3   Mallogs Darcy
12:59   A3   3   Emilys Dream Boy
13:28   A6   4   To Tone Alfie
18:56   A7   3   Waikiki Honey
19:59   A6   6   Millbank Theo
20:48   A1   3   Swabys Hope
21:03   S1   6   Bit View Rambo
22:15   A3   4   Dunaghy Obama
22:30   A3   1   Tourbo Marmaduke

Perry Barr
11:23   A6   6   Killala Honey
13:27   A8   1   Chaotic Eve
20:02   A2   5   White Flash
21:06   A3   4   Houdini Act
21:54   A6   3   Fifis Boy

Crayford
11:52   A7   6   Ballymac Yoyo
19:27   A6   6   Minesapinacolada
22:19   A5   1   Match Up Ivy

Doncaster
14:22   A3   5   Ballymac Mcgrath
15:58   B5   2   Wanted Tara
16:34   B2   2   Bellagio Bonnie
17:17   B2   2   Swift Bevel
17:53   B3   6   Rogully Mist

Newcastle
14:42   A3   6   Harton Jet
15:36   A7   4   Target Mark
16:14   HP   6   Smurfing Master
17:27   HP   5   View The Beaut
17:59   A6   4   Greys Sophie
20:11   A3   2   Target Chayd
21:48   A4   5   Crooks Pablo

Henlow
15:28   A10   1   Monemore Jedinak
15:47   A7   1   Agincourt Ice
16:07   A6   2   Glassmoss Queen
17:08   A8   3   Up Donegal
17:28   A7   4   Chubbys Jenny

Yarmouth
20:30   HP   6   Treaty Bill
21:00   A4   5   Novel Idea
21:30   A6   5   Real Fire

Monmore
19:07   A1   4   That Crazy Man
19:38   A1   4   Kelseys Phoenix
20:42   A5   4   Moorstown Bobby

Swindon
20:20   A6   6   Gaytime Alice
20:36   A9   4   Listen Tammy
21:24   A1   3   Emotional

Belle Vue
19:45   A10   6   Cailin Caillte
20:02   A3   1   Ballymac Image
20:19   A8   5   Pompey Kerry
21:44   A1   4   Droopys Boss

Nottingham
19:46   A5   5   Swift Lockjaw
20:03   HP   6   Hit The Bid
21:10   HP   5   Salacres Jet
21:26   A7   6   Mustang Josh

Shawfield
19:50   HP   1   Pennylane Fionn
20:50   HP   2   Real Sheila
21:35   HP   2   Fenceside Fair
22:20   HP   1   Soloman

Peterborough
20:05   D4   6   Magical Jane
20:22   A2   3   Roedhelm Cosmic
20:39   A6   1   Vigorous Stunner
22:04   A4   6   Killacolla Zebo

Poole
20:41   D2   2   Aulton Jetta
20:57   A8   2   Honeygar Sonia

Sheffield
21:01   D2   5   Tohullandback
21:18   A7   5   Glenvale Jet

These are my LTB Trades for Sat Feb 08:

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Harlow
10:07   A4   1   Riada Rocket

Romford
10:57   A4   4   Bing Crown
11:43   A4   4   Sneezys Kestrel
11:59   A3   2   Oaks Double Down
12:59   A3   1   Belfast Wonder
13:28   A6   2   Tinas Survivor
18:56   A7   5   Droopys Lucy
19:12   A3   4   Copeland Elaine
21:03   S1   2   Young Master
21:21   S4   4   Mays Ballyhill
22:30   A3   3   Staying Classy

Perry Barr
10:38   A5   4   Peachstreet Jack
21:06   A3   3   Droopys Starling

Crayford
11:06   A7   5   Petes Boy
11:52   A7   1   Ibizan
12:06   S6   2   Canine Duke
19:27   A6   4   Wax And Wane

Doncaster
14:03   A2   1   Glory Alice
14:22   A3   3   Mustang Benjy
16:34   B2   4   Haven Player
16:57   B2   3   Haven Boxer
17:17   B2   5   Barnside Rio
17:53   B3   2   Haven Boss

Newcastle
14:42   A3   1   Ballingry Loyal
17:07   HP   3   Miss Perks
17:27   HP   1   Alaska Rose
17:59   A6   1   Bambamhurricane
20:11   A3   5   Black East

Henlow
15:28   A10   6   Greencroft Snowy
15:47   A7   2   Kisses For Sadie
17:08   A8   1   Quivers Winks
17:28   A7   5   Beautiful Day

Yarmouth
19:00   A9   6   Crinkill Ace
20:30   HP   1   Suirview Bella

Monmore
19:38   A1   3   Blackstone Abby
20:57   A1   1   Annagh Choice
21:32   A1   6   Ballyoak Freddie

Swindon
19:16   A3   2   Forest Jodie
20:20   A6   3   Ballinacrow Girl
20:36   A9   1   Marley Boy
21:24   A1   6   Jet Stream Ivy

Pelaw Grange
19:30   A8   5   Easter Rose

Belle Vue
19:45   A10   5   Tullig Nun
20:02   A3   5   Jaguar Tipp
20:19   A8   3   Head Up Kenny
21:44   A1   1   Droopys Hawk

Nottingham
19:46   A5   2   Honour Mon Ami
20:03   HP   3   An Buachaill
21:10   HP   1   Honour Mercedes
21:26   A7   1   Honour Luna
22:14   A2   6   Salacres Magnier

Shawfield
19:50   HP   3   Toolmaker Produc
21:35   HP   5   Obviously Teejay

Peterborough
20:05   D4   4   Mt Heaton Nidge
20:22   A2   5   Fernisky Pixie
21:30   A7   3   Making Moments
21:47   A5   5   Beech Hill Jet
22:04   A4   3   Wee Amanda

Poole
20:25   A4   6   Dundee Lottie
20:57   A8   6   Come On Miss

[Jukebox]

Wires crossed ?

Ignore - its my wires that are crossed.

[wearthefoxhat]

I hope the fav wins the 22:13 at Romford otheriwse there will be some pissed of people.

43k matched with 35k on the favourite being Trap 5.

Probably a good ole fashioned "get out of trouble"" punt late into the evening.

That's something to factor in sometimes for a B2L trade, even on the greys. (although you probably knew that already)

[funkydj]

Morning guys,

Great post and thanks for sharing all the ideas. I used to collate all the data from the last 5 races at same track and distance and average those, as well as BRT, finishing position and grade and give them individual pts and then would either lay the worst pts total or dutch the top 2, but I like the idea of trading them pre-race, less risk!

Can I just ask as I've gone through the threads twice and am still unsure, what exactly is the new method you are using?

I know the original one was BRT and last run from SL website with a .10 rule, but then Archery used the last 5 finishing positions and took that number from the TS rating.

So are the selections now for all last 5 runs average?

[Archery1969]

Morning guys,

Great post and thanks for sharing all the ideas. I used to collate all the data from the last 5 races at same track and distance and average those, as well as BRT, finishing position and grade and give them individual pts and then would either lay the worst pts total or dutch the top 2, but I like the idea of trading them pre-race, less risk!

Can I just ask as I've gone through the threads twice and am still unsure, what exactly is the new method you are using?

I know the original one was BRT and last run from SL website with a .10 rule, but then Archery used the last 5 finishing positions and took that number from the TS rating.

So are the selections now for all last 5 runs average?

The new method (me) goes back over the last 10 races to try and find qualifying races of the same distance for each dog. Sometimes you get 5 dogs with last 5 races over 460m and dog 6 last 2 were over either shorter or longer distances. If we cant get all 6 dogs with times over the same distance then that race card is ignored/removed. Also, i loweered the 0.10 to 0.05 difference to get more qualifying races. But that doesnt mean i will trade them as my guardian rules means that the selection also needs to be the favourite in the betting for BTL trades or non favourite for LTB trades.

However, while doing this i have now seen many other angles whereby i dont actually need the selections anymore. But that is work in progress, so i may revert back to the old methods if nothing pans out. Obviously this is not something i wish to share on any forum going forward.

Since this thread started i have seen allot more bot activity getting in allot earlier, so some members who told me not to share it were probably correct. The edges are still there but you and them need to adapt.

If you do nothing and just watch the odds move on a number of races then you will soon spot repeatable patterns emerging....

[jimibt]

Morning guys,

Great post and thanks for sharing all the ideas. I used to collate all the data from the last 5 races at same track and distance and average those, as well as BRT, finishing position and grade and give them individual pts and then would either lay the worst pts total or dutch the top 2, but I like the idea of trading them pre-race, less risk!

Can I just ask as I've gone through the threads twice and am still unsure, what exactly is the new method you are using?

I know the original one was BRT and last run from SL website with a .10 rule, but then Archery used the last 5 finishing positions and took that number from the TS rating.

So are the selections now for all last 5 runs average?

The new method (me) goes back over the last 10 races to try and find qualifying races of the same distance for each dog. Sometimes you get 5 dogs with last 5 races over 460m and dog 6 last 2 were over either shorter or longer distances. If we cant get all 6 dogs with times over the same distance then that race card is ignored/removed. Also, i loweered the 0.10 to 0.05 difference to get more qualifying races. But that doesnt mean i will trade them as my guardian rules means that the selection also needs to be the favourite in the betting for BTL trades or non favourite for LTB trades.

However, while doing this i have now seen many other angles whereby i dont actually need the selections anymore. But that is work in progress, so i may revert back to the old methods if nothing pans out. Obviously this is not something i wish to share on any forum going forward.

Since this thread started i have seen allot more bot activity getting in allot earlier, so some members who told me not to share it were probably correct. The edges are still there but you and them need to adapt.

If you do nothing and just watch the odds move on a number of races then you will soon spot repeatable patterns emerging....

+1... it makes sense that increased activity will alter the markets. being able to knowledgebly adjust for that will bring a great contemporary edge. the secret of course is to keep adapting as the edge erodes... good work archery...

[wearthefoxhat]

Morning guys,

Great post and thanks for sharing all the ideas. I used to collate all the data from the last 5 races at same track and distance and average those, as well as BRT, finishing position and grade and give them individual pts and then would either lay the worst pts total or dutch the top 2, but I like the idea of trading them pre-race, less risk!

Can I just ask as I've gone through the threads twice and am still unsure, what exactly is the new method you are using?

I know the original one was BRT and last run from SL website with a .10 rule, but then Archery used the last 5 finishing positions and took that number from the TS rating.

So are the selections now for all last 5 runs average?

If you do nothing and just watch the odds move on a number of races then you will soon spot repeatable patterns emerging....

+1

Here's an example of how the market moved around in the Romford 10.29. T4 is with graph. (Won the race@ BSP 2.23)
Price moved fast in a 30 seconds period!

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[Valda]

Really enjoyed the posts on this thread and it was great the instigator shared it. Lots of ways to play the strategy and I'll put my hand up and admit to being one of the bots that wasn't there before the thread.
As a bit of payback - USA horse markets are similar - just sayin