Account suspended for premium charge avoidance

[spreadbetting]

I have discussed it with my friend (his account was highlighted as the main account which I take to mean that they had identified him as the sole or effective owner/operator of all the accounts) already with regard to why the accounts might have been linked

If they consider him the main operator of the accounts why are they taking PC they say is avoided from your account? Have they ever taken PC charges from his account ?

[enzabella2009]

From BETFAIR...

Thank you for your e-mail.

Please note that no funds have been taken from customers accounts unfairly. If customers try to avoid the Premium Charge then we will investigate accounts and administer the charge should the fall into the category.

You will be able to find full details on this by going to the Betfair Charges section on the About Us pages.

Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any further enquiries.

Kind regards,

[Iron]

Enzabella -

Yes, but they would say that, wouldn't they?

They aren't likely to write:

'Our security team can be a bit over-zealous, but we'll let them continue confiscating money unfairly until we get a legal ruling against us'.

Jeff

[kemabet]

I believe that Betfair is clumping together people that are using Betangel. They know if a person is using Betangel, yes?
At least in my country it seems so. I know some persons in my town that are using Betangel and Betfair has put us all as an entity and took a lot of money from us as punishment (for what?, I would call it stealing). I feel very sorry for one friend that got hurt by Betfair. He was actually doing arbing (not my stuff) and the legs that were on Betfair had been winning more often at those times, so from the Betfair-view it looked like he was winning a lot, but the truth was that the arbs did not give so much, the money had just transferred from other bookmaker-accounts to his Betfair-account plus a small winning. You can imagine how he feels about Betfair stealing the money suddenly from his account. It was his "real" money, almost nothing from winnings. What Betfair took from me is also hurting because my winnings from the start of the 60%-decision-day to the day they steal from me was only about one fifth of what they took from me.
There are a lot of usernames Betfair has put together with mine. Some of them I know, but also people I do not know. Somehow I believe that the common thing of all the usernames is Betangel.
Could it even be so that the "entity" is everyone using Betangel in my country?

[Euler]

Bet Angel has very little to do with it as there are plenty of people who have been grouped together across a broad spectrum or sports, countries and strategies. It's just that people are talking about it on this forum and there appears to be little chatter elsewhere. What Betfair appear to be doing is linking profitable strategies IMHO.

[Innertube]

Betfair are just as bad as the bookies now! So much for killing off the bookmaker, they are just becoming one.

Why don't those affected by these unfair deductions get together. You must have lost a fortune according to these posts and there must be a HUGE incentive to do something now?

[enzabella2009]

Enzabella -

Yes, but they would say that, wouldn't they?

They aren't likely to write:

'Our security team can be a bit over-zealous, but we'll let them continue confiscating money unfairly until we get a legal ruling against us'.

Jeff

I was just curious to know their statement regarding this claimings. It`s the 1st time ever they have replyed me within 2 ours of my request. You believe all this claimings Jeff without questioning but, I did not try to patronize you...did I? Do you think I take that response from betfair without my suspicious mind @ work?
Betfair alleged innocent or alleged guilty? People money confiscation alleged true or alleged lies?...as long people will question we will be able to see different prospectives. ( betfair prospective was not that amusing anyway).

So far only Euler seemed truly genuine when they suspended his account and unsuspended after 3-4 days, all other claimings are doubtful ( no offence).
good night, Jeff..

[The Strulach]

I'm not here to convince sceptics or indulge in bit of banter. I am looking for a bit of guidance and a few pointers to recover my cash and get my account back to it's correct status. I'll call it a mistake that Betfair have made with regard to my account for now. My account is my own and it has not been used to avoid the charge.

[Groovyelms]

Hi All,

Reviewng this thread the recurring stories and tales of woe just to keep coming up.
As already suggested a coordinated approach with all the wronged parties acting together and trying to find a sympathetic lawyer who knows the score, would be a way forward

If betfair were proved wrong in their tactics then the papers would have a field day and you would expect any action to be settled out of court. This apparently illogical and possibly speculative linking of accounts is deeply disturbing, especially as the last post was from someone listing modest winnings over a fairly long period... just where will this end?
Groovy

[The Strulach]

Yep my friends account is his affair not mine. His accounts are his business if he wants to post here he can I knwo he reads this forum. I am not interested in speculation as to why betfair have linked our accounts along with the others (I am interested in getting from betfair information on exactly why our accounts have been linked of cocurse). I am not interested in discussing other people's accounts. What would give me the right to speculate with others about other people's accounts and what would that achieve anyway?
I'll state my case to the Gib Gambling commission as best I can and post the results here if I think they can be of assistance.

[The Strulach]

Spreadbetting,

I've not quite got the hang of this website yet. What I am trying to say is that other people's accounts are their affair and I am not comfortable discussing other people's accounts on the forum.

[enzabella2009]

I'm not here to convince sceptics or indulge in bit of banter. I am looking for a bit of guidance and a few pointers to recover my cash and get my account back to it's correct status. I'll call it a mistake that Betfair have made with regard to my account for now. My account is my own and it has not been used to avoid the charge.

I did not mean disrespect to your situation. I'm sure the answers you seek are already proposed several times in this forum ... See groovyelms sugestions. I can accept to believe that some situations are real and that Betfair is mistakenly connecting accounts, but I have serious reasons to believe that at least 2 incidents claimed in this forum Were missleading and not telling the real facts of the incident. In this case, I started to believe there may be a good percentage of customers who really try not to pay the premium charges. Betfair seeks only an excuse to take money from users without their permission, unfortunaly some people are giving betfair that excuse, hurting even those who have a geniune case. It seens that Betfair has no desire to go that extra mile and investigate properly each case, Betfair will continue to slam the door in your faces so I see no other solution than the one have been suggested by groovyelms and other members here...
Sorry for mY english...good luck...

[spreadbetting]

Spreadbetting,

I've not quite got the hang of this website yet. What I am trying to say is that other people's accounts are their affair and I am not comfortable discussing other people's accounts on the forum.

No problem, the reason I asked is because I have two accounts and Betfair only ever deem one account to be the main account to take PC charges from.

If they've effectively deemed your account to be the main one of the linked accounts (for whatever reason possibly having a balance to cover the charges) you'd effectively be paying other linked accounts charges. I'm not aware of them removing PC charges on a pro rata basis from grouped accounts for PC.

[enzabella2009]

I'm not here to convince sceptics or indulge in bit of banter. I am looking for a bit of guidance and a few pointers to recover my cash and get my account back to it's correct status. I'll call it a mistake that Betfair have made with regard to my account for now. My account is my own and it has not been used to avoid the charge.

I meant no disrespect.

I'm sure you'll find the answers you're looking for elsewhere in this forum. For example, see Groovyelm's suggestions.

I believe that some of the claims people have made about Betfair is mistakenly connecting accounts are genuine. However, I have serious doubts about two of the claims made.

I believe that many people are trying to evade the Premium Charge. And as Betfair is looking for excuses to confiscate people's money, those people play into their hands, hurting people who play by the rules.

It seems that Betfair has no desire to go that extra mile and investigate properly each case. Betfair will continue to slam the door in your faces so I see no other solution than those that have been suggested by Groovyelms and other members here.

My thanks to that sex god Jeff for editing this post!

Enzabella....

[The Strulach]

Enzabella, that sounds just about right