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Derek27
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Kai wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2024 10:47 am
Derek27 wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2024 10:11 am
Italian prime minister kisses most guests on both cheeks but only shakes hands with the German Chancellor!
Ok I think it's high time you get the damn thing :) : https://www.netflix.com/signup
The problem with Netflix is there's no easy way of finding out what's on it without signing up. I'm not paying just to see a flipping TV guide!
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Derek27 wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2024 10:54 am
I'm not paying just to see a flipping TV guide!
Fine, I'll gladly do it :D
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I like this idea in fact I love it of using Russian frozen assets to fund the defence of Ukraine, should have happened a long time ago.
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Emmson wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2024 10:23 pm
I like this idea in fact I love it of using Russian frozen assets to fund the defence of Ukraine, should have happened a long time ago.
It’s against international law to seize a country’s assets and hand it over to another. They going to put the money in a special bank account then raise loans against it and pay the loans and interest back using the interest earned from the seized funds. That way they not setting a standard and breaking international laws. Its complicated but should work fine.
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Emmson wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2024 10:23 pm
I like this idea in fact I love it of using Russian frozen assets to fund the defence of Ukraine, should have happened a long time ago.
I think the money it to rebuild Ukraine, rather than fund weapons for defence.
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Derek27 wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2024 10:46 pm
Emmson wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2024 10:23 pm
I like this idea in fact I love it of using Russian frozen assets to fund the defence of Ukraine, should have happened a long time ago.
I think the money it to rebuild Ukraine, rather than fund weapons for defence.
It’s to help fund both Derek. It’s been agreed that the first loan against Russian seized assets will be $50 billion.

Russia has just announced there will be severe consequences.

The funny thing is that Putin and his forces will now be trying to destory something being propped up by Russian money/assets. :lol:
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Derek27
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Putin's running out of threats now. All he can say is we will be punished, his nuclear threats are worn out.
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Euler
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Russian President Vladimir Putin has proposed a ceasefire in Ukraine, contingent on Ukraine withdrawing its troops from Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia regions, and committing to not joining NATO. The offer has been met with skepticism and criticism, with many viewing it as an attempt by Russia to consolidate its territorial gains and weaken Ukraine's position.
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Euler wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2024 5:00 pm
Russian President Vladimir Putin has proposed a ceasefire in Ukraine, contingent on Ukraine withdrawing its troops from Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia regions, and committing to not joining NATO. The offer has been met with skepticism and criticism, with many viewing it as an attempt by Russia to consolidate its territorial gains and weaken Ukraine's position.
What's the betting on that proposal? To me it seems like weakness on Putin's side. I can't see Zelensky giving in now particularly as it involves a commitment to not join NATO. That's an organsanisation that whose prime contributers have been providing resources to Ukraine throughout.
Think of the human cost, perhaps now is the time to call a halt. But Putin is a liar and this could be delaying to allow greater development of his forces.
Who'd be an honest state leader with integrity in the current climate?
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greenmark wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2024 5:33 pm
Euler wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2024 5:00 pm
Russian President Vladimir Putin has proposed a ceasefire in Ukraine, contingent on Ukraine withdrawing its troops from Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia regions, and committing to not joining NATO. The offer has been met with skepticism and criticism, with many viewing it as an attempt by Russia to consolidate its territorial gains and weaken Ukraine's position.
What's the betting on that proposal? To me it seems like weakness on Putin's side. I can't see Zelensky giving in now particularly as it involves a commitment to not join NATO. That's an organsanisation that whose prime contributers have been providing resources to Ukraine throughout.
Think of the human cost, perhaps now is the time to call a halt. But Putin is a liar and this could be delaying to allow greater development of his forces.
Who'd be an honest state leader with integrity in the current climate?
It's not a serious proposition to anyone except the dickhead himself. He's basically saying give us everything we want and we'll ceasefire.
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Derek27 wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2024 6:08 pm
greenmark wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2024 5:33 pm
Euler wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2024 5:00 pm
What's the betting on that proposal? To me it seems like weakness on Putin's side. I can't see Zelensky giving in now particularly as it involves a commitment to not join NATO. That's an organsanisation that whose prime contributers have been providing resources to Ukraine throughout.
Think of the human cost, perhaps now is the time to call a halt. But Putin is a liar and this could be delaying to allow greater development of his forces.
Who'd be an honest state leader with integrity in the current climate?
It's not a serious proposition to anyone except the dickhead himself. He's basically saying give us everything we want and we'll ceasefire.
Hmm. I waffled and you cut to the chase. Wonder whether Biden offering Ukraine $50 billion of sequestrated Russian money might have moved opinions amongst Putin's supporters?
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Zelensky says it's the kind of ultimation that Hitler would have made and is offensive to common sense.

That's a very fair way of describing it. :)
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One of the problems on the horizon is the US elections. Ukraine need to get some big wins under the belt, or some firm guarantees, before Trump comes in and starts getting into hoc with Putin.....

Couple that with the growing right wing movement in Europe, and the impact that will have on countries contributions & donations, I'd say Zelensky has his work cut out over the next few months.

Noticeable they've started heavily targeting Air Force bases within Russia now that some of the shackles have come off the use of missiles inside Russia, something brewing before a big counter offensive in the summer?
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Taff15 wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:26 pm
One of the problems on the horizon is the US elections. Ukraine need to get some big wins under the belt, or some firm guarantees, before Trump comes in and starts getting into hoc with Putin.....

Couple that with the growing right wing movement in Europe, and the impact that will have on countries contributions & donations, I'd say Zelensky has his work cut out over the next few months.

Noticeable they've started heavily targeting Air Force bases within Russia now that some of the shackles have come off the use of missiles inside Russia, something brewing before a big counter offensive in the summer?
The Azov brigade who were previously classed as Ukrainian Nazis are now being given US military equipment. The USA has now said they are fine under their definition. They were always the most effective fighting force in the first 6 months of the war. Many of them are formally spetsnaz special forces. The term spetsnaz originally came from Ukraine when they were part of Russia.

Now they will have the latest firepower and are more than capable of putting severe pressure on Russian forces.
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What do you think about all those Russian men who have run away from their country and conscription to safer havens like Sri Lanka and Thailand.

Living it up and creating problems in-country with organised crime. I have read terrible stories what they get up to, and how they treat local nationals.

Do you think they have to send monies back to Putins government to support the war machine. Or will he capture them when they eventually return, or deported.
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