Ukraine Crisis

[greenmark]

At the risk of a barrage of abuse coming my way I feel sorry for the dogs more so than the humans. The humans knew what they were doing and the risks, the dogs didn't. They had no choice, they just loyally followed their human and were led to a danger they didn't understand. Their trust in their human was abused.

I have no means to start an argument.

Yes, we joined the army, therefore, apparently, we knew the risks. The dogs didn’t. Were we sent to war under false pretentions. That’s not my call and not one I would ever seek to confirm. We got the call and went. That should never change.i can’t speak for all the dogs, but those I can for, they had a great life. Yes, some were shot and seriously injured. But, amazing to see, soldiers picking up a dog and running it to safety and company vet.

My last tour, camp was overrun, taliban fighter tries to come over the makeshift wall. Dog runs horizontally 20 meters, grabs the fighter by the through and pulls him to the ground. The dog must have known he/she would be seriously injured.

It turns out, she was, broken pelvis and both back legs broken. Taliban fighter aimed to shoot her and 1 Gurkha rifles put him down and saved that dogs life. I know to be true because I was there, that day.

The dog, shalig, died March 2018 and is buried in Highgate cemetery along side the person who donated her to Her Majesty’s Forces.

I understand the relationship between the dog and it's handler, that's even more reason why I couldn't be such and instruct the dog to charge into a dangerous area. The dog may have understood "this may hurt" but only within natural dangers, I doubt it can understand what a bullet or bomb/shell is.

Have you had dogs? I can speak from personal experience that if anyone presents a genuine threat to "the pack" the dog (at least the ones I'm thinking of) will attack the attacker.
It's their natural evolved behaviour.

[firlandsfarm]

I have no means to start an argument.

Yes, we joined the army, therefore, apparently, we knew the risks. The dogs didn’t. Were we sent to war under false pretentions. That’s not my call and not one I would ever seek to confirm. We got the call and went. That should never change.i can’t speak for all the dogs, but those I can for, they had a great life. Yes, some were shot and seriously injured. But, amazing to see, soldiers picking up a dog and running it to safety and company vet.

My last tour, camp was overrun, taliban fighter tries to come over the makeshift wall. Dog runs horizontally 20 meters, grabs the fighter by the through and pulls him to the ground. The dog must have known he/she would be seriously injured.

It turns out, she was, broken pelvis and both back legs broken. Taliban fighter aimed to shoot her and 1 Gurkha rifles put him down and saved that dogs life. I know to be true because I was there, that day.

The dog, shalig, died March 2018 and is buried in Highgate cemetery along side the person who donated her to Her Majesty’s Forces.

I understand the relationship between the dog and it's handler, that's even more reason why I couldn't be such and instruct the dog to charge into a dangerous area. The dog may have understood "this may hurt" but only within natural dangers, I doubt it can understand what a bullet or bomb/shell is.

Have you had dogs? I can speak from personal experience that if anyone presents a genuine threat to "the pack" the dog (at least the ones I'm thinking of) will attack the attacker.
It's their natural evolved behaviour.

No I haven't had dogs but I've known many and yes I know it's natural for a dog to put the pack first but a war environment is not natural.

[greenmark]

But anyhow this thread is about Ukraine.
From what Ive read Russia are deploying far more drones, in addition to the missiles to attack infrastructure. But also the F-16's donated by NATO are prime targets and difficult to protect without air defence systems.
And both sides are dug in along the front line. It's like the 21st century version of WW1. No real movement just attritional killing. So stupid. There will have to be negotiations eventually. What's the tariff of human llife before they think it's become to costly?

[Archery1969]

But anyhow this thread is about Ukraine.
From what Ive read Russia are deploying far more drones, in addition to the missiles to attack infrastructure. But also the F-16's donated by NATO are prime targets and difficult to protect without air defence systems.
And both sides are dug in along the front line. It's like the 21st century version of WW1. No real movement just attritional killing. So stupid. There will have to be negotiations eventually. What's the tariff of human llife before they think it's become to costly?

Ukraine is running out of soldiers, many are avoiding the draft by going overseas or hiding in their flats/homes and not venturing out during the day. There was a BBC program about it.

Problem is I doubt very much that Zelensky will give up any part of Ukraine in negotiations.

Putin wants Odesa for strategic purposes, that won’t sit well with the Ukrainian people.

[firlandsfarm]

You would think Russia would have learnt over Afghanistan that to take the land is a long way from taking the people. I doubt Ukrainians will shy away from guerrilla tactics and Russia will find life very difficult.

[Archery1969]

You would think Russia would have learnt over Afghanistan that to take the land is a long way from taking the people. I doubt Ukrainians will shy away from guerrilla tactics and Russia will find life very difficult.

Agreed.

But I doubt Putin will care, the vast majority of his loses so far are from the Wagner Group, North Korea, Belarus, Chechnya, India, Conscripts and those in prison given a pardon. While, during the first 3 months he did lose a number of tank regiments, special forces and pilots, he still has the bulk of Russian forces intact.

[Taff15]

Its going to be interesting/telling on the reactions as Crimea becomes completed isolated/regained. This was one of Putin's 'jewels in the crown' but Ukraine/the west have slowly eroded the lines of defence and are making it a no go area.

Would be a big feather in the cap if Ukraine regain complete control, it would open many more avenues to attack Russia rather than defend...

[greenmark]

Its going to be interesting/telling on the reactions as Crimea becomes completed isolated/regained. This was one of Putin's 'jewels in the crown' but Ukraine/the west have slowly eroded the lines of defence and are making it a no go area.

Would be a big feather in the cap if Ukraine regain complete control, it would open many more avenues to attack Russia rather than defend...

Attacking Russia would be suicidal for Ukraine IMO. It would mobilise all those Russians that are indifferent about the war.
The notion that Russians would rise up and say "Stop this" as a result of Ukrainian incursions is fantasy.

[Archery1969]

While I have over 12 years experience of fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan I’m not a military expert but I think Ukraine is wasting allot of equipment. It could well be that there not being advised well or even turned down advice.

They have been given thousands of very explosive, expensive and accurate missiles. If it were me then number one priority would be taking down the Crimea bridge. But I would wait until new supply and personnel trains are on it and hit/blow it to pieces from afar. Putin would no doubt spit his vodka and caviar all over g to he place and order his air force to protect Crimea. But that would play into Ukraines hands by shooting the fcukers down with missiles.

There is no point fighting a trench warfare as Russia as mined hundreds of miles, your just wasting your personnel in trying to take 20 or so yards.

I presume the UK/USA/Nato are advising Zelensky what to do and when ?

[Emmson]

There are reports of Ukrainian incursion that is causing chaos today in the Russian ranks in the Kursk oblast.

I look forward to more positive reports coming out.

Glory To Ukraine!

[Archery1969]

There are reports of Ukrainian incursion that is causing chaos today in the Russian ranks in the Kursk oblast.

I look forward to more positive reports coming out.

Glory To Ukraine!

+ 1

Ukraine was given 200 x MGM-140 ATACMS missles with a range of 190 miles each. Each one has 950 x M74 bomblets. On the battlefield they would be horrific to witness and be hit by. One alone could take out an entire regiment of personnel and hardware.

[greenmark]

Putin accuses Ukraine of 'provocation' amid alleged border incursion

[Dabbla]

I have been keeping an eye on this.
One report said they might be trying to catcher the kursk nuclear power plant.
That’s 80kn from the boarder , some reports say Ukraine are 25km deep.

[Derek27]

If Prickozhin could lead his Wanker group up the M4 towards Moscow, quickly scaring Putin onto a plane, Putin could again be quite vulnerable. They can't use their nuclear warheads on Russian soil.

[Archery1969]

Parts of Russia being evacuated after thousands of Ukraine troops cross the border backed up by tanks and missiles…

O dear, what a shame, never mind.