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firlandsfarm
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Derek27 wrote:
Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:17 am
I suspect you're more pissed than I am. Just read my post and Michael's. We've both explained why it's irrelevant what your occupation is.
I suggest you read my posts which tackle the current issues on a general basis.
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Lads no point arguing in the rant thread as nobody can technically be wrong when venting etc :)

Just a small reminder before Derek prepares his fierce rebuttal, plenty of political threads on here for this purpose
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Kai wrote:
Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:52 am
Lads no point arguing in the rant thread as nobody can technically be wrong when venting etc :)

Just a small reminder before Derek prepares his fierce rebuttal, plenty of political threads on here for this purpose
i just wish i had the time/energy/lack of commitments to spend as much time as these 2, complaining about the good old (past/future) days)... lol
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jimibt wrote:
Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:29 pm
Kai wrote:
Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:52 am
Lads no point arguing in the rant thread as nobody can technically be wrong when venting etc :)

Just a small reminder before Derek prepares his fierce rebuttal, plenty of political threads on here for this purpose
i just wish i had the time/energy/lack of commitments to spend as much time as these 2, complaining about the good old (past/future) days)... lol
That really did make me laugh out loud. But hey. The title of the thread allows pretty much anything other than personal abuse, and neither of the protaganists will stoop to that. And personally I have been entertained by the posts of both. It's a bit like a joust, kind of interesting, but why would you do it?
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greenmark wrote:
Sun Feb 12, 2023 2:55 pm
jimibt wrote:
Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:29 pm
Kai wrote:
Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:52 am
Lads no point arguing in the rant thread as nobody can technically be wrong when venting etc :)

Just a small reminder before Derek prepares his fierce rebuttal, plenty of political threads on here for this purpose
i just wish i had the time/energy/lack of commitments to spend as much time as these 2, complaining about the good old (past/future) days)... lol
That really did make me laugh out loud. But hey. The title of the thread allows pretty much anything other than personal abuse, and neither of the protaganists will stoop to that. And personally I have been entertained by the posts of both. It's a bit like a joust, kind of interesting, but why would you do it?
That was a seperate RANT, about my TIME management 😁
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jimibt wrote:
Sun Feb 12, 2023 3:31 pm
greenmark wrote:
Sun Feb 12, 2023 2:55 pm
jimibt wrote:
Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:29 pm


i just wish i had the time/energy/lack of commitments to spend as much time as these 2, complaining about the good old (past/future) days)... lol
That really did make me laugh out loud. But hey. The title of the thread allows pretty much anything other than personal abuse, and neither of the protaganists will stoop to that. And personally I have been entertained by the posts of both. It's a bit like a joust, kind of interesting, but why would you do it?
That was a seperate RANT, about my TIME management 😁
Ah. OK :) Rant away! We all need that space.
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firlandsfarm wrote:
Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:09 am
Derek27 wrote:
Sat Feb 11, 2023 10:55 pm
1. ... more awareness is down to more foodbanks, which is obviously down to more demand, which is related to necessity.

2. That is an extremely offensive remark and with views like that, I'm not in the slightest bit surprised you receive abuse!

3. Nobody's going to pay it but I don't think anyone will give a fuck. :)
1. While necessity can partially drive demand, demand is not 100% down to necessity. And not everyone will feel the embarrassment you (or I if I had to) would feel. To some it's an easy solution to their situation. Why work out ways to solve a problem myself when someone else is solving it for me!

2. Well firstly I don't see those remarks as offensive and secondly I've never said that direct to somebody in that position, I've offered to help, (but i do appreciate that a member of the loony left couldn't resist the temptation to draw a conclusion that was not there). I've offered to go shopping with them and help them buy cheaper stuff and cook it but am always met with a "I don't need help to shop or cook thank you, my problem is not having enough money" type response. Horse dying of dehydration comes to mind.

I never said they have lost their cooking skills I'm saying they never had them! Who teaches them how to cook on a budget these days? Schools don't, not all parents do. You weren't until a neighbour showed you how and I expect that was in a time when most neighbours were neighbourly. My mum hated where she lived at the end because all the new families in the street (council estate before you think it was private housing) just ignored her and others. She lived through 'the war' when you had to be frugal with your shopping and ingredients but many 30-40 year olds nowadays are used to things being on demand, they have no experience of 'being short'.

3. So why should I give a F...?
It's really patronising and insulting to assume people who use foodbanks can't cook or need budgeting help so I'm not in the least surprised people take offence. Would you be able to manage on UC?

I didn't draw any conclusions from what you said, it's offensive to say poor people can't cook as though they're all the same. It's as bad as saying black people can't cook, and it's that attitude that will get the Tories kicked out at the next election. I did say "with views like that". If you discriminate against or stereotype people who are hard-up, you don't need to actually say anything offensive, your attitude towards them will show.

There's an obvious contradiction in your third remark. If poor people never had cooking skills then when somebody loses their job and becomes poor they must not only lose their cooking skills but they must never have had them in the first place!
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firlandsfarm wrote:
Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:36 pm
.. who is going to pay my 19%? Instead they are expecting me to pay for their 19%. And they think I should support them ... in their dreams!
London bus drivers have got 18%. :P
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Derek27 wrote:
Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:33 pm
London bus drivers have got 18%. :P
Good. If you want the economy to improve you do it by improving wages and stimulating demand for goods and services.

And you can't moan about the exchange volume being down at the same time as wanting everyone on the breadline, greater disposable income translates directly to improved prospects for us. The fundamental thing about our job is that we can't earn more unless everyone else has the money to spend and pay our wages. Hopefully the bus drivers like a bet :D
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ShaunWhite wrote:
Mon Feb 13, 2023 5:16 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:33 pm
London bus drivers have got 18%. :P
Good. If you want the economy to improve you do it by improving wages and stimulating demand for goods and services.

And you can't moan about the exchange volume being down at the same time as wanting everyone on the breadline, greater disposable income translates directly to improved prospects for us. The fundamental thing about our job is that we can't earn more unless everyone else has the money to spend and pay our wages. Hopefully the bus drivers like a bet :D
I'm not sure if London bus drivers are paid by the government or the private sector but nurses should have got a decent pay rise for their Covid efforts, long before the cost of living crisis.

I take it you're not signed up to the philosophy that increased wages fuels inflation?
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It really makes me laugh when people purchase lottery tickets knowing that they're too lazy to check their numbers and they have to take them to the lottery outlet and ask if they've won a few million. :lol:

I've never known people in bookies to do that and if they have won the jackpot the shop assistant might bag it for themselves.
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Derek27 wrote:
Mon Feb 13, 2023 5:29 pm
I take it you're not signed up to the philosophy that increased wages fuels inflation?
Its net disposable that fuels inflation and we're a long way from Joe Public having money to just spend with abandon. Putting someone on the lowest level of the hierarchy of needs and then blaming them for inflation is ridiculous.
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ShaunWhite wrote:
Mon Feb 13, 2023 6:00 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Mon Feb 13, 2023 5:29 pm
I take it you're not signed up to the philosophy that increased wages fuels inflation?
Its net disposable that fuels inflation and we're a long way from Joe Public having money to just spend with abandon. Putting someone on the lowest level of the hierarchy of needs and then blaming them for inflation is ridiculous.
That makes sense. I thought it would but when Tory ministers agree with me I realised I must be wrong. :)
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Derek27 wrote:
Mon Feb 13, 2023 6:07 pm
That makes sense. I thought it would but when Tory ministers agree with me I realised I must be wrong. :)
I remember the days when the pubs and bookies were busy, and it was blue collar workers with a spare few quid filling them. I don't remember it causing much inflation.
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ShaunWhite wrote:
Mon Feb 13, 2023 6:17 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Mon Feb 13, 2023 6:07 pm
That makes sense. I thought it would but when Tory ministers agree with me I realised I must be wrong. :)
I remember the days when the pubs and bookies were busy, and it was blue collar workers with a spare few quid filling them. I don't remember it causing much inflation.
Having 2 halfwits in control for 49 (or 31) days turned out to be quite inflationary.
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