Excuses, Excuses, Excuses

[Michael5482]

"Under the IPPR’s proposals, the Treasury would leave duties untouched on “lower harm” activities, such as the lottery and bingo.

But the proposal would involve doubling taxes such as the 15% general betting duty, levied on high-street bookmakers’ profits.

Remote gaming duty, which affects online operators, is charged at 21% but would be raised to 50% under the IPPR’s plan."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... c-finances

Question needs to be asked to Labour & Tory over the past 30 years as tax payers (public and businesses) where has our money gone?

£97 billion of taxpayers’ money spent on furlough and self employed job support

The country has been in decline for around 30 years, I don't really accept Covid as the single factor for the state of the country's finances. We are in debt up to our ears, National Debt as % of GDP has risen massivley since around early 2000's and continues to increase to point where it's not far of hitting 100% and nothing to show for it everything is f@cked, NHS, Roads, Public Transport, Immigration, Water Infrastructure......the list is endless I wouldn't mind the debt or the tax if we had something to show for it but we have nothing.

It's mis-management in public office over a long sustained period of time, Labour & Tory are both culpable and need to answer. If you ran a business like they have ran the country you'd be in jail for running a ponzi scheme.

[Derek27]

I wonder if Rayner knew that P&O was owned by DP World before she opened her mouth.

[Archery1969]

I wonder if Rayner knew that P&O was owned by DP World before she opened her mouth.

What a gaffe.

London gateway and Southampton needed that extra investment. The transport secretary days are numbered given No 10 is now backtracking.

P&O already agreed to the hourly rate for ship staff increase 18 months ago. What was the point in rubbing their owners face in the sea for ?

Also, given their planned changes to workers rights, I wonder how many investors will turn up in London next week…

[Archery1969]

"Under the IPPR’s proposals, the Treasury would leave duties untouched on “lower harm” activities, such as the lottery and bingo.

But the proposal would involve doubling taxes such as the 15% general betting duty, levied on high-street bookmakers’ profits.

Remote gaming duty, which affects online operators, is charged at 21% but would be raised to 50% under the IPPR’s plan."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... c-finances

Question needs to be asked to Labour & Tory over the past 30 years as tax payers (public and businesses) where has our money gone?

£97 billion of taxpayers’ money spent on furlough and self employed job support

The total cost of Covid to the UK is between £310 billion to £410 billion. According to

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/re ... /cbp-9309/

Even the bottom end figure is mind blowing.

But before anyone says allot of that was down to waste and mismanagement, the cost to France, with roughly the same population was €428 billion. So, not too dissimilar in comparison.

https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20210414-c ... hree-years

[GaryCook]

To me there is either, really, oligarchy or genuine liberty.
Unless somebody is being violent, thieving or abusing then adults have no place controlling other adults.
A lot of what is fed to us by government is just a veneer of civilisation as I like to call it.

[greenmark]

To me there is either, really, oligarchy or genuine liberty.
Unless somebody is being violent, thieving or abusing then adults have no place controlling other adults.
A lot of what is fed to us by government is just a veneer of civilisation as I like to call it.

I've had similar thoughts. There is china's system and the sheikdoms too.
But I'm still a democratic capitalist.
I envy the the scandi nations approach. Seems sensible. Chance of those policies being implemented in the UK? Zero.

[jamesedwards]

I envy the the scandi nations approach. Seems sensible. Chance of those policies being implemented in the UK? Zero.

What sort of policies would you like to see implemented??

[greenmark]

I envy the the scandi nations approach. Seems sensible. Chance of those policies being implemented in the UK? Zero.

What sort of policies would you like to see implemented??

Support through unemployment, maternity/paternity. Proper rehabilitation during/following conviction.
Treat people well and they (in general) will respond well.

[Derek27]

The £1B DP World investment will go ahead. Looks like they were just spitting out the dummy. They want the project us much as the UK needs it.

Just sign the contract, let the ink dry and then say what you flipping like about them.

[Archery1969]

To me there is either, really, oligarchy or genuine liberty.
Unless somebody is being violent, thieving or abusing then adults have no place controlling other adults.
A lot of what is fed to us by government is just a veneer of civilisation as I like to call it.

I've had similar thoughts. There is china's system and the sheikdoms too.
But I'm still a democratic capitalist.
I envy the the scandi nations approach. Seems sensible. Chance of those policies being implemented in the UK? Zero.

Yeah, Scandinavian countries are way out in front on a number of issues. Take Norways prison system, it’s renowned as being on of the best in the world. Reoffending rate is 18% compared to 49% in the UK. Yes your locked up but the emphasis is on rehabilitation, even for committing murder.

[GaryCook]

I'm not of socialism personally. I'm a British Libertarian/anarchist.
Not arguing but I should have the right to be sovereign in my own life. Why? Because I said so.

As for helping poor and disabled. In a genuine Voluntarist society there would be enough charity to help people that really cant work.

I've got faith in humanity like that.

[greenmark]

I'm not of socialism personally. I'm a British Libertarian/anarchist.
Not arguing but I should have the right to be sovereign in my own life. Why? Because I said so.

As for helping poor and disabled. In a genuine Voluntarist society there would be enough charity to help people that really cant work.

I've got faith in humanity like that.

Look back at even only British history and I see anarchy gradually being eradicated via feudal violence. Anarchy would re-oprn that violent can of worms until a powerful elite emerge. If we can't learn from the past we are screwed. And the Victorian rich had an ethos to support the poor.... after having exploited the same people to the hilt. Democracy is still my preference, imperfect though it is, I still see nothing better out there.

[GaryCook]

I'm not of socialism personally. I'm a British Libertarian/anarchist.
Not arguing but I should have the right to be sovereign in my own life. Why? Because I said so.

As for helping poor and disabled. In a genuine Voluntarist society there would be enough charity to help people that really cant work.

I've got faith in humanity like that.

Look back at even only British history and I see anarchy gradually being eradicated via feudal violence. Anarchy would re-oprn that violent can of worms until a powerful elite emerge. If we can't learn from the past we are screwed. And the Victorian rich had an ethos to support the poor.... after having exploited the same people to the hilt. Democracy is still my preference, imperfect though it is, I still see nothing better out there.

The way things are going is probably worse than that yet we have the opposite of anarchy. We have almost total tyranny and getting to absolute authority fast.

We lived in anarchy the majority of human existence. This time around we have advanced communication and the knowledge of where statism can end up.

[greenmark]

I'm not of socialism personally. I'm a British Libertarian/anarchist.
Not arguing but I should have the right to be sovereign in my own life. Why? Because I said so.

As for helping poor and disabled. In a genuine Voluntarist society there would be enough charity to help people that really cant work.

I've got faith in humanity like that.

Look back at even only British history and I see anarchy gradually being eradicated via feudal violence. Anarchy would re-oprn that violent can of worms until a powerful elite emerge. If we can't learn from the past we are screwed. And the Victorian rich had an ethos to support the poor.... after having exploited the same people to the hilt. Democracy is still my preference, imperfect though it is, I still see nothing better out there.

The way things are going is probably worse than that yet we have the opposite of anarchy. We have almost total tyranny and getting to absolute authority fast.

We lived in anarchy the majority of human existence. This time around we have advanced communication and the knowledge of where statism can end up.

Can you have complex systems within anarchy? Or are you talking about tearing down the establishment (what ever that is) but keeping the basic structures (light, heat, transport, helath care etc). IMO that is precisely what democracy is (and what Cromwell envisaged). Every 5 years we tear it down and start again.

[GaryCook]

Look back at even only British history and I see anarchy gradually being eradicated via feudal violence. Anarchy would re-oprn that violent can of worms until a powerful elite emerge. If we can't learn from the past we are screwed. And the Victorian rich had an ethos to support the poor.... after having exploited the same people to the hilt. Democracy is still my preference, imperfect though it is, I still see nothing better out there.

The way things are going is probably worse than that yet we have the opposite of anarchy. We have almost total tyranny and getting to absolute authority fast.

We lived in anarchy the majority of human existence. This time around we have advanced communication and the knowledge of where statism can end up.

Can you have complex systems within anarchy? Or are you talking about tearing down the establishment (what ever that is) but keeping the basic structures (light, heat, transport, helath care etc). IMO that is precisely what democracy is (and what Cromwell envisaged). Every 5 years we tear it down and start again.

That was a bit of a strawman but perhaps you didn't mean it. Plus I'm just making convo. I know I'm right, as such, but I'm also aware it's not going to happen anytime soon.
It's not a case of tearing things down. It's the right of innocent people to not have violence initiated against them. We can still have complex systems. Complex systems exist despite statism not because of it.