15.40 Sthl and 15.50 folk ... were they FIXED?

[enzabella2009]

who said they use betfair?
Did I say we share profits? did I say we share banks?
we just share strategies. I am not giving them a hope. PETER WEBB and his crue did that by posting news, tradings schools and videos on the web. They are already in the state to believe everything and some of them actually are making profits. I have declared bankrupt in 2007 if you are wondering. total of 96,000. lost my house, my job...everything I had. I worked as waitress for 1 year to regain some funds to gamble again. I am not kneen to upload any videos but, I am moving to Bristol soon (sept2011), you are more then welcome to pay me a visit...dont forget to bring flowers.

[andyfuller]

He is going to lose 30K 20K etc etc he must be crazy.

Don't forget it is all relative - who is placing these bets? Is it a footballer who £20,000 could be the equivalent to the man in the streets £200 for example.

It is highly likely that you will see more drifters lose than win so I am not surprised you saw 3 in such quick succession, it is important that people don't draw conclusions on such small data samples.

How did you know in advance today was the day to back as opposed to follow the drifters and lay them? There were plenty of good drifters for decent amounts happy to lay them.

I just say all this to help others who are reading it to not think this is a quick way to riches - fair play to you if you are making all of this money from it but you would be far better keeping it to yourself as letting others know you have found such a huge edge will only see it diminish and lead to you making less in the long run.

[LeTiss]

I am moving to Bristol soon (sept2011), you are more then welcome to pay me a visit...dont forget to bring flowers.

Andy Fuller, you smooth operator

[Iron]

It could also be a trader...

Jeff

Don't forget it is all relative - who is placing these bets? Is it a footballer who £20,000 could be the equivalent to the man in the streets £200 for example.

[enzabella2009]

I can`t wait to see his face, if he eccepted my invitation....

[andyfuller]

who said they use betfair?
Did I say we share profits? did I say we share banks?
we just share strategies. I am not giving them a hope. PETER WEBB and his crue did that by posting news, tradings schools and videos on the web. They are already in the state to believe everything and some of them actually are making profits. I have declared bankrupt in 2007 if you are wondering. total of 96,000. lost my house, my job...everything I had. I worked as waitress for 1 year to regain some funds to gamble again. I am not kneen to upload any videos but, I am moving to Bristol soon (sept2011), you are more then welcome to pay me a visit...dont forget to bring flowers.

No one said they use Betfair, but if they are based in America they are not operating as a bookmaker as they don't have them in America, apart from illegal ones of course. So that leaves them with the option of laying UK horses online which leaves only really Betfair or Betdaq and if they are using similar stakes to you then they would most likely be having to use Betfair.

I would be interested to know how they are laying these UK horses when they are based in America if it is not illegally via Betfair? Can you explain as I must be missing something?

It doesn't matter if you are sharing banks or profits etc, you are operating as a syndicate, your words not mine. Therefore you could easily be liable for Tax, I don't know the rules in your Country but in the UK I think you would be.

To say you are not giving them a hope is wrong imo as you have posted a P&L that is showing a 6 figure profit on horse racing in the last 3 months at most and overall over a million pounds which would indicate you know what you are doing. As such people would give your comments credence.

Of course Peter Webb is giving them hope - he is running a business and needs to or else he won't have people to sell his products to but he does also give warnings that it isn't easy money and you won't become a profitable trader just by using his software or going on his courses but they can help.

I really am not interested in how much you have or haven't made, but well done to have gone from being bankrupt to making over £11,000 every single day the last 3 months on average - that is truly unbelievable so well done.

[PeterLe]

I think you can kiss your flowers goodbye Enzabella!

[freddy]

I think you guys missunderstood my finds because of my bad english.

lay1800 3.0 regular drift
lay2300 2.9 manipulation,traders,punters
lay1800 2.8 etc. all trying to get a piece of it.
lay3000 2.7
lay2000 2.6
lay3000 2.5
lay4000 2.4
lay2200 2.3
lay2000 2.2
Most of this lay bets have not been matched.
Like on bunglasha lady or fifth in line (13.30sthl) 30 seconds b4 off
But when I see a gambler to take all the back bets in the queue no matter the odds of the favorite and the manipulator, the traders, the punters etc still opposing it, I ask my self is this gambler crazy or he/she knows better. He is going to lose 30K 20K etc etc he must be crazy. Then you see the race and the favorite come last????.You need 3 coincidences to confirm your suspects. Happened 5times in 2 days. It did not happened today though..today was a day to back the favorites, to back some of the adrian massey to rated horses and trade the 1st/2nd favorites. When the godgambler will do the same in the future I will lay the horse at least 1k, no doubt about that.

The fact is you have no idea who this crazy gambler is or what he is up to, or if he is even a gambler at all for that matter,
it could easily be a a bookmaker or a trader exiting his positions, or simply someone to who 20k or 30k is nothing at all, it certainly doesn't mean he has any insider info.

And you say it's happend 5 times in 2 days and worked,
well that's nothing to go by really is it, favorites lose all the time.
A Bad idea imo and it's all been tried many many times before and doe not work.

[Dobbin]

Hi Foks,

Under the present legislation it may be deemed to be a Collective Investment scheme.

To operate in theis country you are required to be regulated by the FSA.

cheers

Dobbin

[Iron]

I was just trading May's Boy in the 16:00, and noticed there were a couple of massive downward spikes, suggesting someone was placing huge bets.

So I went against my usual rule of not having fun bets, and put a couple of quid on it to win.

Lo and behold it did win!

Maybe there's something to this dark liquidity stuff after all!

Jeff

[oddstrader]

I was just trading May's Boy in the 16:00, and noticed there were a couple of massive downward spikes, suggesting someone was placing huge bets.

So I went against my usual rule of not having fun bets, and put a couple of quid on it to win.

Lo and behold it did win!

Maybe there's something to this dark liquidity stuff after all!

Jeff

i saw that Jeff and the weird thing was "The Phantom of the Opera was playing in the background"

[freddy]

Re: 15.40 Sthl and 15.50 folk ... were they FIXED?


I was just trading May's Boy in the 16:00, and noticed there were a couple of massive downward spikes, suggesting someone was placing huge bets.

So I went against my usual rule of not having fun bets, and put a couple of quid on it to win.

Lo and behold it did win!

Maybe there's something to this dark liquidity stuff after all!

Jeff

Well it always going to work some of the time,
but as 98% of gamblers lose money then following it isn't a good idea imo, not unless you know exactly where the money is coming from of cause, but none of us do .

stick to the trading imo, money following work's well with that

[xpaul]

but as 98% of gamblers lose money

And I think that more than 50% of traders loose money as well so it's just a matter of speed of loosing money. And trading sometimes gives you delusion that you are in control while you are not.
Gambling is not a sure way to poor house but trading is not a sure way to making money as well.
Both will result in loss of money for most of the people who try it and good earning for small percent of participants. It’s how any financial market works.

[freddy]

but as 98% of gamblers lose money

And I think that more than 50% of traders loose money as well so it's just a matter of speed of loosing money. And trading sometimes gives you delusion that you are in control while you are not.
Gambling is not a sure way to poor house but trading is not a sure way to making money as well.
Both will result in loss of money for most of the people who try it and good earning for small percent of participants. It’s how any financial market works.

Yeah i agree, i wasn't actually saying that trading is any easier than gambling,
we were just talking about following the money and betting accordingly, this can work well if your trading because obviously if alot of money is heading in one direct you can catch the large move or if not then the reversal,

but i don't beleive following the money is a good idea with gambling, the money could be coming from anyware and even if it is someone having a large bet then there is no reason to think that they know anything that you don't .

[Iron]

Someone just put offered 14K on Majuro in the 18:00 (and it wasn't a spoof bet), so I'm going to have a small wager.

Jeff