JG
Then I was watching a race and it looked a tight finish was on the cards. I laid the whole field at 1.50 and watched as my orders were filled. However, I only got 2 matched despite the 3 horses trading at 1.01 1.21 and 1.34 How could I not get the 3rd matched when I had offered 1.50?
JG. Are using BA virtual bet display?
If you are that throws up some phantom prices at times.
You might have seen them trade at 1.01 1.21 and 1.34 but did they acutely get matched that low. They may not have been real offers only phantom ones.
My imagination?
Yesterday on one pre race market something pretty odd happened.
It was trading I think about 5.8/5.9. Suddenly on the BA streaming graph there was a spike down to about 5.2, and there was flashing on the odds on the ladder down to 5.2, so everything down to 5.2 and a bit of 5.2 should have been taken, right? Nope! Only the first couple of ticks of orders had disappeared on the ladder, leaving the rest up to about 5.6 untouched.
It was trading I think about 5.8/5.9. Suddenly on the BA streaming graph there was a spike down to about 5.2, and there was flashing on the odds on the ladder down to 5.2, so everything down to 5.2 and a bit of 5.2 should have been taken, right? Nope! Only the first couple of ticks of orders had disappeared on the ladder, leaving the rest up to about 5.6 untouched.
I think people are just getting a little paranoid, and perhaps have negative thoughts governing their minds.
This weeks Tennis isn't the highest quality in terms of players, but the liquidity is pretty good. I was trading a match in Sweden between Larsson & Dushevina on Wednesday, two players ranked 50-60 and there was £4.4Million matched
A lot of PC payers are heavily involved in Tennis, so I don't think there's a mutiny just yet
This weeks Tennis isn't the highest quality in terms of players, but the liquidity is pretty good. I was trading a match in Sweden between Larsson & Dushevina on Wednesday, two players ranked 50-60 and there was £4.4Million matched
A lot of PC payers are heavily involved in Tennis, so I don't think there's a mutiny just yet
Dave
According to Betfair:
"The customer on the forum must have been looking at the graph for that particular horse, to get that information. The information on the graph is delayed by at least 10 minutes. Therefore, the horse must have got matched at a lower price, before the customer submitted their bet."
That explains it then!
Jeff
According to Betfair:
"The customer on the forum must have been looking at the graph for that particular horse, to get that information. The information on the graph is delayed by at least 10 minutes. Therefore, the horse must have got matched at a lower price, before the customer submitted their bet."
That explains it then!
Jeff
JollyGreen wrote: Then I was watching a race and it looked a tight finish was on the cards. I laid the whole field at 1.50 and watched as my orders were filled. However, I only got 2 matched despite the 3 horses trading at 1.01 1.21 and 1.34 How could I not get the 3rd matched when I had offered 1.50?
I asked Betfair why people were reporting that bets weren't being matched that should have been. This is what they told me:
Bets will always be matched on a first come first served basis. The only way a bet wouldn't be taken is if there was insufficient liquidity at the odds they were requesting after they had placed their bets.
If these customers would like to email [email protected], we will be happy to give them any information needed as to why their bets were not taken.
Furthermore we can also run a full market report and see exactly what prices where matched on the market after their bets were placed, this will prove that the exchange works correctly and that they must have been mistaken.
Jeff
Bets will always be matched on a first come first served basis. The only way a bet wouldn't be taken is if there was insufficient liquidity at the odds they were requesting after they had placed their bets.
If these customers would like to email [email protected], we will be happy to give them any information needed as to why their bets were not taken.
Furthermore we can also run a full market report and see exactly what prices where matched on the market after their bets were placed, this will prove that the exchange works correctly and that they must have been mistaken.
Jeff
hgodden wrote:Yesterday on one pre race market something pretty odd happened.
It was trading I think about 5.8/5.9. Suddenly on the BA streaming graph there was a spike down to about 5.2, and there was flashing on the odds on the ladder down to 5.2, so everything down to 5.2 and a bit of 5.2 should have been taken, right? Nope! Only the first couple of ticks of orders had disappeared on the ladder, leaving the rest up to about 5.6 untouched.
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andyfuller
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What I saw last night is different to what others are reporting I think. Mine was more to do with the order and the fact it was saying I got matched at the higher odds, then the lower odds and then the higher odds. But as I said I am talking a very small time difference in the milliseconds I think which perhaps could be explained by the way the information is returned from the different servers?
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JollyGreen
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I also contacted the muppets and was put through to the Swedish Chef who said "Ordle gorgle borgle" which I took to mean I had looked at a graph which is delayed by AT LEAST 10 MINUTES. I thanked him from the heart of my bottom because after 10 years using Betfair I finally realised I should not look at the graph due to a delay of at least 10 minutes!Ferru123 wrote:Dave
According to Betfair:
"The customer on the forum must have been looking at the graph for that particular horse, to get that information. The information on the graph is delayed by at least 10 minutes. Therefore, the horse must have got matched at a lower price, before the customer submitted their bet."
That explains it then!
Jeff
I explained how silly I felt because I had been looking at the amounts matched at each price and had not realised how stupid I was.
I agree. I've replied to request clarification.
If Betfair graphs were all 10 minutes or more out of sync, you'd get nothing when you tried to view a greyhound chart!
Jeff
If Betfair graphs were all 10 minutes or more out of sync, you'd get nothing when you tried to view a greyhound chart!
Jeff
Totty2457 wrote:10 minutes?! They're making that up, thats total baloney, how can a graph be 10 minutes behind when u can refresh it every 200ms?!!!
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JollyGreen
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As for the calling the help desk I usually think of peanuts and monkeys but for the life of me I cannot remember why
Betfair have clarified the matter:
"The information on the graph is a rough guide as to how much has been traded on the selection at that point in time. Unfortunately you will have to continually reload the graph for it to update for any bets placed since you last clicked on the graph symbol."
So Dave, you must have forgotten to continually reload the graph!
Jeff
"The information on the graph is a rough guide as to how much has been traded on the selection at that point in time. Unfortunately you will have to continually reload the graph for it to update for any bets placed since you last clicked on the graph symbol."
So Dave, you must have forgotten to continually reload the graph!
Jeff
Totty2457 wrote:10 minutes?! They're making that up, thats total baloney, how can a graph be 10 minutes behind when u can refresh it every 200ms?!!!
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andyfuller
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Can anyone who collects data please check to see how much their data showed as being matched for the 20.55 on 09/07/11.
I often leave the market open after the race has finished and I have for a long time thought that it keeps unsuspending and resuspending and the LTP figure often changes. But I thought I had a vivid imagination.
So with this thread in mind I have paid a bit more attention to things. On the last race tonight my web page was showing a total matched on the race of £703,933 once the race was over.
I looked on my API software when I noticed it flash seemingly unsuspended thinking is there a stewards, I had changed channel, I clicked to place a bet but it returned that the market was suspended. I noted the amount matched on the market and it was £678,743.
That seemed odd, why would there be a difference between the website and the API.
Before I got chance to grab screen shots the Website Total Matched changed and dropped to £678,743.
So why the drop of £25,190 after the event?
Something to do with the SP perhaps and the settling of that?
Just seems odd the total amount matched can drop after the event....
I often leave the market open after the race has finished and I have for a long time thought that it keeps unsuspending and resuspending and the LTP figure often changes. But I thought I had a vivid imagination.
So with this thread in mind I have paid a bit more attention to things. On the last race tonight my web page was showing a total matched on the race of £703,933 once the race was over.
I looked on my API software when I noticed it flash seemingly unsuspended thinking is there a stewards, I had changed channel, I clicked to place a bet but it returned that the market was suspended. I noted the amount matched on the market and it was £678,743.
That seemed odd, why would there be a difference between the website and the API.
Before I got chance to grab screen shots the Website Total Matched changed and dropped to £678,743.
So why the drop of £25,190 after the event?
Something to do with the SP perhaps and the settling of that?
Just seems odd the total amount matched can drop after the event....
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andyfuller
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No there were only 3 non runners the last at 10.04am