UK General Election 2024 (or 25)

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LeTiss
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Archangel wrote:
Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:49 am
The list of things that people agitating for Johnson's return clearly don't care about is incredible when you think about: corruption, law-breaking, cronyism, avoidable deaths, bullying, lying, rule-breaking, Russian spies, ethical breaches, trashing parliamentary standards etc


I think a Boris return could guarantee a Labour landslide at the next GE that the Tories might not recover from for a generation
You sound like someone who didn't vote for Boris in 2019 anyway

You need to ask the opinions of people who voted Conservative at the last GE.....like me!

Will I vote Conservative at the next GE? - NO
Will I vote Conservative if Boris Johnson returns as leader? - YES

Lefties are terrified of BJ. They know he's a vote winner amongst the Tory voters
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LeTiss wrote:
Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:57 am
Archangel wrote:
Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:49 am
The list of things that people agitating for Johnson's return clearly don't care about is incredible when you think about: corruption, law-breaking, cronyism, avoidable deaths, bullying, lying, rule-breaking, Russian spies, ethical breaches, trashing parliamentary standards etc


I think a Boris return could guarantee a Labour landslide at the next GE that the Tories might not recover from for a generation
You sound like someone who didn't vote for Boris in 2019 anyway

You need to ask the opinions of people who voted Conservative at the last GE.....like me!

Will I vote Conservative at the next GE? - NO
Will I vote Conservative if Boris Johnson returns as leader? - YES

Lefties are terrified of BJ. They know he's a vote winner amongst the Tory voters
It's the why of that statement I just don't get. He's a corrupt buffoon, who has presided over other corrupt buffoons, to the detriment of the country. Why would anyone want him as their PM ? Seems an odd choice just to prevent Labour getting in
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LeTiss
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Did he lie? - Yes he did
However, all politicians lie. They always have done

Did he not follow covid restrictions? - possibly not
However, governments have never lived by the same rules as the everyday John Smith

The major issues surrounding our plight are Covid and Ukraine
Neither were his doing
Vaz0202
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LeTiss wrote:
Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:09 am
Did he lie? - Yes he did
However, all politicians lie. They always have done

Did he not follow covid restrictions? - possibly not
However, governments have never lived by the same rules as the everyday John Smith

The major issues surrounding our plight are Covid and Ukraine
Neither were his doing
Let’s get it right. The major issue surrounding our plight is Brexit. He was the architect. All these Brexit dividends we are reaping, isn’t life much better now than 2016
Archery1969
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Brexit doesn’t affect me in any way and nor does partygate, cakegate, winegate or sexgate. It doesn’t to the Tory membership or the majority who voted for Boris in 2019 either.

Many believe Churchill was our greatest leader but if people really knew what his views were and what he got upto most people by todays standards would probably puke and scream blue murder to any news agency that would listen.

Who cares if Boris was having a drink or cake when people were dying of Covid. Did Boris bring it to the country, no he didnt, he also nearly died of it too.

What about all the people in the UK dying at the moment from god knows what, does that mean each of us shouldn’t be celebrating something we like, of course not.

It’s nice to be compassionate but that’s not how life works, it’s one big jungle and we all know what happens there.

Children are being blown up in Ukraine, people should focus their minds and do something about that rather than going on and on about a fcuking cake!!!
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Vaz0202 wrote:
Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:21 am
LeTiss wrote:
Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:09 am
Did he lie? - Yes he did
However, all politicians lie. They always have done

Did he not follow covid restrictions? - possibly not
However, governments have never lived by the same rules as the everyday John Smith

The major issues surrounding our plight are Covid and Ukraine
Neither were his doing
Let’s get it right. The major issue surrounding our plight is Brexit. He was the architect. All these Brexit dividends we are reaping, isn’t life much better now than 2016
Beat me to it. Boris was even a Remainer previously. He saw an opportunity to ride to power via Brexit and took it. Again, to the detriment of the country.
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Under any logical analysis it has to be Sunak, but logic and the Tory party got divorced in June 2016.
Archery1969
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Vaz0202 wrote:
Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:21 am
LeTiss wrote:
Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:09 am
Did he lie? - Yes he did
However, all politicians lie. They always have done

Did he not follow covid restrictions? - possibly not
However, governments have never lived by the same rules as the everyday John Smith

The major issues surrounding our plight are Covid and Ukraine
Neither were his doing
Let’s get it right. The major issue surrounding our plight is Brexit. He was the architect. All these Brexit dividends we are reaping, isn’t life much better now than 2016
Boris was not the architect of Brexit, that was David Cameron who gave the country the vote on the subject and the country voted to leave.
sniffer66
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Driving force then

And not the country, a majority. And a very slim one
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Referendums are nearly always a flip of a coin. I find them fascinating as it brings out that core underbelly of human emotion.
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Archery1969 wrote:
Fri Oct 21, 2022 12:45 pm
Vaz0202 wrote:
Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:21 am
LeTiss wrote:
Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:09 am
Did he lie? - Yes he did
However, all politicians lie. They always have done

Did he not follow covid restrictions? - possibly not
However, governments have never lived by the same rules as the everyday John Smith

The major issues surrounding our plight are Covid and Ukraine
Neither were his doing
Let’s get it right. The major issue surrounding our plight is Brexit. He was the architect. All these Brexit dividends we are reaping, isn’t life much better now than 2016
Boris was not the architect of Brexit, that was David Cameron who gave the country the vote on the subject and the country voted to leave.
There was no architecture, he had the referendum to try and unite his party who were being torn to pieces by UKIP.

What the Brexiteers deserve is the single market they wanted whilst not being in the EU. Johnson failed to do that and put a border down the Irish Sea.
Archery1969
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sniffer66 wrote:
Fri Oct 21, 2022 12:47 pm
Driving force then

And not the country, a majority. And a very slim one
Agreed. But it doesn’t matter how big or small the majority was. There was nothing in the rules saying it had to be 1%, 5% or 10%. They never thought about it because all the experts said nobody would vote to leave, hence Cameron had no problem putting the vote forward.

There was allot of anger in the country when we joined the EU in the first place because people were never asked or allowed to vote on it. That anger remained and got worse over decades by some demographics who the majority of voted to leave when they got the chance by Cameron. Boris advised Cameron not to do it but he said “it’s fine, we won’t vote to leave anyway”

Boris may well be a muppet but he being blamed for stuff not of his making.

Brexit was always going to be a nightmare because of the Good Friday agreement and political pressure from EU and USA. Personally, I believe it will never work to please everyone.
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ShaunWhite wrote:
Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:04 pm
Archery1969 wrote:
Fri Oct 21, 2022 12:45 pm
Vaz0202 wrote:
Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:21 am


Let’s get it right. The major issue surrounding our plight is Brexit. He was the architect. All these Brexit dividends we are reaping, isn’t life much better now than 2016
Boris was not the architect of Brexit, that was David Cameron who gave the country the vote on the subject and the country voted to leave.
There was no architecture, he had the referendum to try and unite his party who were being torn to pieces by UKIP.

What the Brexiteers deserve is the single market they wanted whilst not being in the EU. Johnson failed to do that and put a border down the Irish Sea.
The EU would not allow the single market whilst being outside of the EU because of the Irish problem.
Vaz0202
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Country is a shambles because anyone whom opposed Boris got ousted and untested and untried characters found themselves in prominent positions, elevated beyond ability, because they chanted the slogans louder than anyone else.

So when covid came, we had no smarts in the cabinet
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