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firlandsfarm
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Derek27 wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 3:16 pm
Crossed over the road outside London Liverpool Street. What's the big deal about that I hear you ask.

It must be a big deal to the 20 people by the roadside waiting for the green man to light. They stood and watched in awe. :lol: :lol:
Bravo D27, we are breeding a generation that won't do anything unless someone tells them it's OK to do it.
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firlandsfarm wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 4:19 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 3:16 pm
Crossed over the road outside London Liverpool Street. What's the big deal about that I hear you ask.

It must be a big deal to the 20 people by the roadside waiting for the green man to light. They stood and watched in awe. :lol: :lol:
Bravo D27, we are breeding a generation that won't do anything unless someone tells them it's OK to do it.
I agree. I rarely rely on tech to cross a road. Sometimes it's essential. Most of my life I have used common sense to cross a road. Pedestrian crossings are great for folk that need to stop the traffic. If you're a wheelchair user or pushing a pram.
But don't rely on that concept in Paris or London. Not every driver will stop. Being right is no good when you're in the back of an ambulance.
Lucky here. Very polite folk that realise that courtesy and lifting a foot from the throttle to the brake is a very small price.
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Got back from a weekend away to find the bin men left my bin lid open. There's a puddle of water in the bottom of the liner!
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It's bad enough having two major international tourneys on at the same time. They even have their rest days at the same!
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Have to go to the supermarket now to get back in time for the match, and it's absolutely pissing down - what a flipping summer!!
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The flipping size of a box of Kellogg's cornflakes. Unless you've got a family you're virtually excluded from eating their cornflakes!
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The Olympic Games, sponsored by, not an energy drink, manufacture of sports equipment, clothing, footwear; it's sponsored by Head & Shoulders shampoo!
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Derek27 wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2024 5:17 pm
The flipping size of a box of Kellogg's cornflakes. Unless you've got a family you're virtually excluded from eating their cornflakes!
Box doesn't even fit in my cupboard!
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Why the fuck didn't junior doctors ask for a pay rise in 2008 instead of a back-dated pay rise 16 years later?
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Derek27 wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:16 pm
Why the fuck didn't junior doctors ask for a pay rise in 2008 instead of a back-dated pay rise 16 years later?
2008 was the Global financial crisis which was prolonged. It affected all Governments. It wouldn't have been a good decision at that point to ask for a pay increase of any level etc.
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Archery1969 wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:27 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:16 pm
Why the fuck didn't junior doctors ask for a pay rise in 2008 instead of a back-dated pay rise 16 years later?
2008 was the Global financial crisis which was prolonged. It affected all Governments. It wouldn't have been a good decision at that point to ask for a pay increase of any level etc.
Plus, due to the lack of investment in the NHS it's unravelling and they have the whip hand. Pay up or do you want to be treated by a doctor that feels under-valued and/or doesn't have enough colleagues to do the job he/she wants to do?
I've known quite a few medics and they vary from despair to a shrug about the support they recieve to do their jobs as they would wish,
It's a vocation. I know someone that walked away from medicine to be a plant hire office manager. She's better paid, works more comfortable hours and people rarely die on her shift. Go figure.
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Things..... can only get better..... :lol:
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greenmark wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 3:44 pm
Archery1969 wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:27 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:16 pm
Why the fuck didn't junior doctors ask for a pay rise in 2008 instead of a back-dated pay rise 16 years later?
2008 was the Global financial crisis which was prolonged. It affected all Governments. It wouldn't have been a good decision at that point to ask for a pay increase of any level etc.
Plus, due to the lack of investment in the NHS it's unravelling and they have the whip hand. Pay up or do you want to be treated by a doctor that feels under-valued and/or doesn't have enough colleagues to do the job he/she wants to do?
I've known quite a few medics and they vary from despair to a shrug about the support they recieve to do their jobs as they would wish,
It's a vocation. I know someone that walked away from medicine to be a plant hire office manager. She's better paid, works more comfortable hours and people rarely die on her shift. Go figure.
I wouldn't call £171.8 Billion (KingsFund figures) between 2022/2023 a lack of investment ?
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Archery1969 wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 5:25 pm
greenmark wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 3:44 pm
Archery1969 wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:27 pm


2008 was the Global financial crisis which was prolonged. It affected all Governments. It wouldn't have been a good decision at that point to ask for a pay increase of any level etc.
Plus, due to the lack of investment in the NHS it's unravelling and they have the whip hand. Pay up or do you want to be treated by a doctor that feels under-valued and/or doesn't have enough colleagues to do the job he/she wants to do?
I've known quite a few medics and they vary from despair to a shrug about the support they recieve to do their jobs as they would wish,
It's a vocation. I know someone that walked away from medicine to be a plant hire office manager. She's better paid, works more comfortable hours and people rarely die on her shift. Go figure.
I wouldn't call £171.8 Billion (KingsFund figures) between 2022/2023 a lack of investment ?
The Health Foundation says
Average day-to-day health spending in the UK between 2010 and 2019 was £3,005 per person – 18% below the EU14 average of £3,655.

If UK spending per person had matched the EU14 average, then the UK would have spent an average of £227bn a year on health between 2010 and 2019 – £40bn higher than actual average annual spending during this period (£187bn).

Matching spending per head to France or Germany would have led to an additional £40bn and £73bn (21% to 39% increase respectively) of total health spending each year in the UK.

Over the past decade, the UK had a lower level of capital investment in health care compared with the EU14 countries for which data are available. Between 2010 and 2019, average health capital investment in the UK was £5.8bn a year. If the UK had matched other EU14 countries’ average investment in health capital (as a share of GDP), the UK would have invested £33bn more between 2010 and 2019 (around 55% higher than actual investment during that period).

I acknowledge 2019 is 5 years ago. Do you reckon investment in the NHS has improved since then? Even the 2022/2023 figure is below the EU14 average for 2010-2019.
As always if anyone can point me to a resource to expand my understanding I would be genuinely grateful. This stuff is important I think.
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greenmark wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:49 pm
Archery1969 wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 5:25 pm
greenmark wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 3:44 pm

Plus, due to the lack of investment in the NHS it's unravelling and they have the whip hand. Pay up or do you want to be treated by a doctor that feels under-valued and/or doesn't have enough colleagues to do the job he/she wants to do?
I've known quite a few medics and they vary from despair to a shrug about the support they recieve to do their jobs as they would wish,
It's a vocation. I know someone that walked away from medicine to be a plant hire office manager. She's better paid, works more comfortable hours and people rarely die on her shift. Go figure.
I wouldn't call £171.8 Billion (KingsFund figures) between 2022/2023 a lack of investment ?
The Health Foundation says
Average day-to-day health spending in the UK between 2010 and 2019 was £3,005 per person – 18% below the EU14 average of £3,655.

If UK spending per person had matched the EU14 average, then the UK would have spent an average of £227bn a year on health between 2010 and 2019 – £40bn higher than actual average annual spending during this period (£187bn).

Matching spending per head to France or Germany would have led to an additional £40bn and £73bn (21% to 39% increase respectively) of total health spending each year in the UK.

Over the past decade, the UK had a lower level of capital investment in health care compared with the EU14 countries for which data are available. Between 2010 and 2019, average health capital investment in the UK was £5.8bn a year. If the UK had matched other EU14 countries’ average investment in health capital (as a share of GDP), the UK would have invested £33bn more between 2010 and 2019 (around 55% higher than actual investment during that period).

I acknowledge 2019 is 5 years ago. Do you reckon investment in the NHS has improved since then? Even the 2022/2023 figure is below the EU14 average for 2010-2019.
As always if anyone can point me to a resource to expand my understanding I would be genuinely grateful. This stuff is important I think.
Weird thing (given salary is a large part of costs), UK doctors & nurses are amongst the lowest paid in EU (and state funded), versus train drivers highest paid by far in EU (and that is private sector).
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