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Trader_Tom wrote:
maycontainnuts wrote:Misread the last post, or do I misread that?

Complete conmen and frauds don't get a mention on these blogs, shows this is out and out traffic driving jealousy. This forum has highlighted some horrific scams but not a whisper anywhere about those. No interest. Odd that.
If you meant my post aimed at Sea Horse, I was just joking after he said some people on the forum can be hurtful. It was only meant as tongue in cheek :lol:
Ahh :roll:

Your such a bully! (tongue in cheek, no offense taking now. maybe im too serious sometimes)

Need a joke sign here on the forum maybe we could use this :P
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SeaHorseRacing wrote:
Trader_Tom wrote:
maycontainnuts wrote:Misread the last post, or do I misread that?

Complete conmen and frauds don't get a mention on these blogs, shows this is out and out traffic driving jealousy. This forum has highlighted some horrific scams but not a whisper anywhere about those. No interest. Odd that.
If you meant my post aimed at Sea Horse, I was just joking after he said some people on the forum can be hurtful. It was only meant as tongue in cheek :lol:
Ahh :roll:

Your such a bully! (tongue in cheek, no offense taking now. maybe im too serious sometimes)
It's understandable haha. I should have added a smilie on the end to reinforce the joke :lol:
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I've just read his blog, I wasn't aware of it before.

I can only assume he's had a massive falling out with Peter Webb, because his comments are very personal. I wouldn't expect Peter to get embroiled in a public spat, as that would be unprofessional, but there must be some history behind that
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None at all, neither. It happens all the time, people seek publicity by sticking the knife in. It becomes part of the territory when you are a public figure.

When people write false and misleading comments I don't care that much, but I do drop them a note inviting them to speak to me personally and engage positively, so that I can answer any questions they have. But curiously, nobody has ever taken me up on the offer. So make of that what you will.

On a positive note, several people have come forward with addition information which is hugely embarrassing to the protagonists. I tend to ignore distractions, but I wondering this time whether I really go for it? I've never bothered in the past, but I do have the time and money and I'm getting bored of wasting time like this. I've worked so hard over so many years to do the best I can, I think maybe it's time, what do you reckon?

The other option is to do what I normally do and just ignore, it's so out of touch with reality it just looks silly.
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Euler wrote: The other option is to do what I normally do and just ignore, it's so out of touch with reality it just looks silly.
If I was in your position this is what I would do. I understand it must be tempting to go down the lawyers route but in the end its usually only the lawyers that get anything out of that kind of thing.

Nowadays people with any kind of public profile have to very quickly develop a very thick skin, as social media has provided the opportunity for people to say things they would never say to someone face to face.

The blogger in question does in all fairness post some fairly interesting stuff at times, but he really has a down on manual traders (probably because he is flogging automated trading information). He appears to have a very closed mind when it comes to manual trading, and for some reason really believes its impossible, or anyone who succeeds at it is just lucky.

Provided his comments aren't harming your business, then I would just ignore him, it is very difficult to try and show someone something whose mind is already closed to that prospect.
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You're made of sterner stuff than me mate, I'd be foaming at the mouth :lol:

Bet Angel is your business, and your reputation is potentially impacted by individuals making comments like that, so I would certainly contact him/them and enquire as to where that vitriol comes from
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LeTiss 4pm wrote:You're made of sterner stuff than me mate, I'd be foaming at the mouth :lol:

Bet Angel is your business, and your reputation is potentially impacted by individuals making comments like that, so I would certainly contact him/them and enquire as to where that vitriol comes from
I have, in a very passive manner but it didn't work. Just more aggression in return.
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Fair enough, but it's difficult to remain passive forever when you've worked so hard to achieve what you have.

This is why I refuse to have social media accounts, as I am aware of my personality flaws. Whenever somebody annoys me (eg Tim Farron and Nick Clegg) I wouldn't be able to stop myself from venting my extreme displeasure.

If I was you, I'd find his address and send him your soiled toilet paper
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LeTiss 4pm wrote:Fair enough, but it's difficult to remain passive forever when you've worked so hard to achieve what you have.

This is why I refuse to have social media accounts, as I am aware of my personality flaws. Whenever somebody annoys me (eg Tim Farron and Nick Clegg) I wouldn't be able to stop myself from venting my extreme displeasure.

If I was you, I'd find his address and send him your soiled toilet paper
Remind me never to cross you :shock:
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Bluesky wrote:If I was in your position this is what I would do
I think those are fair comments, thanks.

I don't have any issue with somebody that has a differing viewpoint. Afterall, that is what makes a market. We all battle in the market and if our view is wrong, we lose money. That's the ultimate test. One that I have 'survived' for 17 years.

I think it's ego driven TBH, a sort of 'nobody apart from me is allowed to comment as I'm better than you all'. Else why would you turn an opinion personal and make defamatory comments about somebody? Especially when it's obvious that they have traded successfully, manually and automatically, for a long time. Push your agenda sure, educate, offer knowledge plenty of motivation to do that and shine. Everybody will benefit from that.

It's sort of amusing as we have actually pushed the product in a more automated direction for quite a few years, but that appears to have been ignored. At the end of the day, you do what works for you and that's all that matters IMHO the markets are where you will be judged.
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Trader_Tom wrote: Remind me never to cross you :shock:
I got that idea from seeing Jonathan Agnew and Gary Lineker sharing a story, of somebody with a Bath postcode that has been sending them both soiled toilet paper for 10 years

It made me laugh lots :lol: :lol:
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LeTiss 4pm wrote:
Trader_Tom wrote: Remind me never to cross you :shock:
I got that idea from seeing Jonathan Agnew and Gary Lineker sharing a story, of somebody with a Bath postcode that has been sending them both soiled toilet paper for 10 years

It made me laugh lots :lol: :lol:
That's a hell of a grudge! You could get really creative with it too by buying some amazon packaging haha.

Peter. As we don't know the nature of the "hugely embarrassing" information you have it's difficult to make judgement on it. One thing that I will say though is this. People do shitty things all the time and mostly get away with it. There is no accountability for anything anymore. Thieves steal and get away with it, people screw others over and get away with it but you have an opportunity to teach someone a lesson and if I were in your shoes then I would possibly pursue it. This lesson would be a direct result of their own actions and maybe. just maybe, they would learn a lesson from it.

Obviously you'd have to weigh it up from your point of view and whether it's worth your time or not. I'm currently having fun talking to our mate John Delesse. I've decided to waste as much of his time as possible stringing him along but of course is costing me time too. The difference is, I'm having fun. As soon as I stop having fun I will reveal that I have no intention of sending him my last £5000 :roll:

The point I'm trying to make is we can dish out our own little nuggets of justice and I think we have a moral obligation to sometimes, but as with most things, there is a cost. You just have to decide if it's worth it to you.

From a personal standpoint. I think it would be fun to watch :D
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Exactly why I dont have social media accounts. I have an annonymous twitter for trading related only.

TBH though legal action wont really get anywhere and by the sounds of it (im guessing its a bloke) is an unreable ****. You cannot reason with unreasonable people.

I am all for honesty and even heated debates, but when someone goes to the effort to slander someone like that they must have real issues. Clearly obvious that maybe these issues are probably why "they" promote automation. Manual trading doesnt work because he cannot manage himself and cannot be objective in his own life.

So tbh infact when you really think about it reasoning with him will actually do him good.
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Euler wrote:
On a positive note, several people have come forward with addition information which is hugely embarrassing to the protagonists. I tend to ignore distractions, but I wondering this time whether I really go for it? I've never bothered in the past, but I do have the time and money and I'm getting bored of wasting time like this. I've worked so hard over so many years to do the best I can, I think maybe it's time, what do you reckon?

The other option is to do what I normally do and just ignore, it's so out of touch with reality it just looks silly.
As annoying as it might be Cassini's been around long enough to sail close to the wind and avoid posting any libelous comments, it'd be a waste of time going the legal route. As for the embarrassing information I'd see how things pan out before using any trump card.

Although it does seems strange James wants people to proof their products whilst refusing to proof his own credentials ;)
You won't find me publishing profit and loss figures because they can be faked, they can mean revert, if I won through luck alone, and because my financial resources may be greater than yours, forcing you to take greater risks. Nor will I post videos showing you successful trades because they too can be faked. It is a simple task to make video after video until the desired effect is found.
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don't waste time and money with stupid people. the only cases are when it somehow affects you financially.
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