Smarkets begins closing successful accounts

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PeterLe
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Ferru123 wrote:I'd be amazed if there is a law about publishing private emails
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I would tend to be careful too Jeff especially it has some detrimental effect on the Smarkets business...

http://arborlaw.biz/blog/2007/07/17/leg ... ing-email/

I think James has played it right so far; he has most definitely got the message across
giulio2010
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In Italy the law says:
Posting a PM can take place without consent only about facts of public interest and in compliance with the essential information.
I m NOT sure about how it works in England but if I post a PM from smarkets and I am on italian territory while I am doing so, smarkets can't do much about it if the PM contain facts od public interest, which in this case, it does..
smarkets
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Hi everybody,

Just to clarify, the reason this users' account was suspended was because he threatened our licence and, in turn, our business. This left us with no choice other than to take action in line with our Terms & Conditions.

As we understand that you will have more questions on this issue here are the key points from our perspective which will hopefully give you a clearer picture.

- Jason and James came to an agreement that, for the benefit of both parties and for the continuing growth of Smarkets as a potential rival to Betfair he would be willing to change his betting patterns.

- Jason offered a lunch meeting with James to discuss how this could be enacted with the proviso that he cease trading until an arrangement had been reached.

- James continued to trade in the manner already agreed as non mutually beneficial despite multiple polite requests to reassess the behaviour. In reply we received the first thinly veiled messages of potential threats against our license.

- After a final warning James proposed a change in trading behaviour that would have been more in line with our original intentions for our relationship. However along with the proposal came a more direct threat against our license and our business. It was at this point we took the difficult decision to suspend his account.

Smarkets has no policy of suspending winning accounts. We regret we had to take action in this case as we are more than aware of the value of a good reputation in this industry. However we take threats against our business very seriously and cannot be anything less than proactive in circumstances that we deem threatening. We understand James' frustrations and understanding that he has been punished for being a winning trader but that is simply not the truth of the situation. Ideally we would have come to an agreement that left both parties happy with the outcome but, despite multiple attempts on our behalf, we were unable to do so.

This industry is fraught with underhand practices that leave everyone wary of motives and schemes. We want nothing to do with those practices and are working extremely hard to improve the experience for everyone. It would be very easy for us to not to have replied to these claims and simply dismiss them as part of the cost of doing business in the gaming sector. We appreciate that even our side of the story in this case may not be enough to persuade you that our actions in this case were correct but hopefully you can respect that sometimes we have a business need to make unpopular choices. We are not perfect and will make mistakes along the way, but we are still commited to creating an open and transparent exchange platform that everyone can enjoy.

As always, we are open to your feedback, please contact us via [email protected] if you have any questions.

Smarkets
mcfc1981
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guessing james wasnt doing anything illegal whats to stop him spilling the beans on his trading style to the rest and from having 1 james u may find yourself wiv 100 james.
spreadbetting
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As far as I can see, reading between the lines, James' method of trading i.e. winning was considered to be non beneficial to your business growth as he was winning from your market makers rather than mug punters.

He took exception at being asked to stop trading and made threats against your betting licence giving you an easy out to ban the account.

Obviously I may be well out in my assumptions but the only thing we as traders are concerned with is "Were James' methods of trading breaking any of your terms and conditions"
maycontainnuts
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Not sure why people are getting heated over a business decision. Betfair get away with murder but rarely gets a mention now.
mcfc1981
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u will have to put in your terms and condition no player must take a price when it is bigger on smarkets then on betfair :)
mcfc1981
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maycontainnuts wrote:Not sure why people are getting heated over a business decision. Betfair get away with murder but rarely gets a mention now.
fair point but dont see how smarkets can expect to grow if they are banning someone over the way they trade.
maycontainnuts
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Better that than go bust!
spreadbetting
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maycontainnuts wrote:Better that than go bust!
sometimes it's kinder to put a lame duck out of its misery.
Iron
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Reading between the lines, it sounds like Smarkets basically said to James 'You might want to consider changing your trading style' in the same manner as a Mafia boss might tell a shop owner 'You might want to give us protection money', whilst stroking his baseball bat, ie adhere to this friendly request or we'll put you out of business! :lol:

It sounds like James basically told them to get stuffed, and threatened legal action, so they closed his account. The irony is that he has far less to lose by taking action against them than if he'd not has his account shut down. That said, I think that they'd have probably shut his account down anyway, as his trading was upsetting their market makers.

James/Smarkets - Does the above sound like a fair summary of events?

Jeff
Last edited by Iron on Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:23 pm, edited 1 time in total.
maycontainnuts
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spreadbetting wrote:sometimes it's kinder to put a lame duck out of its misery.
Is this now a Betdaq thread?
giulio2010
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So James, please come to visit me in Milan. I will open a smarkets account for you with whatever name you like. I ll open for you a bank account just for trading. I will make sure we ll do all legal and without the worrie of being blocked by italian authorities.We can find an agreement for an office a fast-internet connection a place to sleep, as long as I get a small % of your gainings....
hey smarkets, I am just kidding ofc or perhaps not.. ;) ;)
smarkets
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Currently all trading patterns are welcomed at Smarkets, including winning accounts. However to help ensure the growth of the exchange we will, at times, try to come to arrangements that can benefit all parties involved. This is, of course, in addition to signing on more market makers and other types of customer who can further increase liquidity in our markets.

We are lucky to have a number of professional winning traders who understand that it is in everybody's best long term interests to help grow a stable exchange that can be a viable alternative to other options. While we realise that every new trader through the door may not be willing to come to a compromise we do not take this as a case for account suspension at all. Hope that clears things up.
Iron
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Question for Smarkets:

Let’s say that Peter were to start using Smarkets, and putting through the kind of volumes he puts through on Betfair.

Assuming your market markers complained about it, would you ask him to modify his trading style or volume?

If so, what would you do if he refused?

Jeff
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