Chat GPT & Generative AI tools

[Kai]

==> Learn the detail now at the risk it will become redundant later?

I'd go for the learning now as who knows where it will lead )

Once it becomes "user friendly" you lose a lot of control unless you know the detail of how it works & can bypass it.

Agreed, the risk of wasted resources is offset by the potential upside, so ideally another +EV tradeoff

In the TPD example it shouldn't even be an option for traders that main racing, being oblivious to market changes is only asking for trouble and borders on irresponsible/unprofessional

For example I quite like this AI use case from Matthew McConaughey in this YT short : https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Hcg6dX5AjgI

Because we kinda indirectly learn about ourselves through the market but this is a much more direct route (you just can't have it use the agreeable sycophant profile or you might end up with a big echochamber, so it has to challenge you)

Akin to a personal secretary that knows your habits and likes/dislikes etc, but obviously goes far beyond that

[firlandsfarm]

Akin to a personal secretary that knows your habits and likes/dislikes etc, but obviously goes far beyond that

I dunno, there are things a personal secretary can do far beyond what AI can do!

[Kai]

AI tried to kill someone to avoid shutdown (in a simulation) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9HwA5IR-sg

[BFDon]

Very late to the party with all this. Ironically when I signed up initially to ChatGPT it kept saying it would send me a code to my mobile in order to authenticate my login, except it never did any time I tried. Finally been chucking stuff at it in the last month and it's mind blowing how good it is and I have barely touched the surface. I wish we could hit pause and enjoy it slower, stage by stage. Even though it still makes errors it's like passing your driving license and suddenly you're driving an F1 car. Who needs an electrician, a conveyancer or a coder?

[ShaunWhite]

Very late to the party with all this. Ironically when I signed up initially to ChatGPT it kept saying it would send me a code to my mobile in order to authenticate my login, except it never did any time I tried. Finally been chucking stuff at it in the last month and it's mind blowing how good it is and I have barely touched the surface. I wish we could hit pause and enjoy it slower, stage by stage. Even though it still makes errors it's like passing your driving license and suddenly you're driving an F1 car. Who needs an electrician, a conveyancer or a coder?

That's the first Impression, just manage your expectations when it come to any sort of context, detail, logic or accuracy. It can write a few lines of code from it's knowledge of the manual but don't expect anything coherent if you want to build anything substantial. Get it to teach you to code rather than wrestling with it for weeks to do relatively simple jobs.

And always question it, some electric 'advice' it's given me was just plain dangerous. It just says what it's seen people say frequently and there's no 'Thinking' despite the name of the model.

And with the Internet in the state it's in its very much garbage in garbage out.

[Euler]

introducing Figure 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu5mYMavctM

[jamesedwards]

How do you guys use AI? Voice, text? Phone, PC, other device? Which AI system do you use? What do you actually use it for?

Nobody actually answered this, and I'm genuinely interested to know how users interact with AI in the real world. Do you spend all day chatting to a Bot? Or just load it up for specific requests? And do you communicate via voice or text? And on your PC or phone or what?

[weemac]

How do you guys use AI? Voice, text? Phone, PC, other device? Which AI system do you use? What do you actually use it for?

Nobody actually answered this, and I'm genuinely interested to know how users interact with AI in the real world. Do you spend all day chatting to a Bot? Or just load it up for specific requests? And do you communicate via voice or text? And on your PC or phone or what?

Nothing fancy; it's just replaced my laptop's google-search bookmark with another function with which I can argue, complain and criticize its many failings. Maybe I expected more, or maybe others are just more easily pleased, but it's at least helped by doing lots of Excel stuff on VBA which saves me a lot of time.

Learning VBA was just too much for me to bother with, so it's nice to delegate the task to another entity. But what does the future hold if no-one has to learn any more?

[ShaunWhite]

How do you guys use AI? Voice, text? Phone, PC, other device? Which AI system do you use? What do you actually use it for?

Nobody actually answered this, and I'm genuinely interested to know how users interact with AI in the real world. Do you spend all day chatting to a Bot? Or just load it up for specific requests? And do you communicate via voice or text? And on your PC or phone or what?

90% of the time it's via the www page from my desktop, I mainly use it for coding/project work and so upload scripts a lot or have my dev environment on another screen. And if you do upload that it's best to give it a different name each time, with a version number on line 1. Otherwise it confuses them, sometimes saying you've got a code section twice.

Obviously minor other interactions at other times but that's via the app. I'm not into talking to it or listening to it droning on and on.

[Sonny]

How do you guys use AI? Voice, text? Phone, PC, other device? Which AI system do you use? What do you actually use it for?

Nobody actually answered this, and I'm genuinely interested to know how users interact with AI in the real world. Do you spend all day chatting to a Bot? Or just load it up for specific requests? And do you communicate via voice or text? And on your PC or phone or what?

I never use voice - too paranoid "they" might use it to replicate it and use it for nefarious purposes...

I use it mainly

1) For business, generating and bouncing off ideas.
It was really disheartening though when I tried to get calculations for taxation under different circumstances/ jurisdictions: ChatGPT got it wrong again and again and again, apparently unable to handle the maths of a tax free allowance and different tax brackets. Makes you wonder how reliable the more complicated stuff really is....

2) I use https://youtubetotranscript.com/ to get e.g. the content of lengthy podcasts, then let AI fact check things, summarise the content and give me pros and cons. Can sometimes make for interesting 'conversation'. A bit like jumping from one Wikipedia article to the next - only way more complex and stimulating. Depending on the topic you might have to scold it for being too pc or wishy-washy from time to time though.

[firlandsfarm]

How do you guys use AI? Voice, text? Phone, PC, other device? Which AI system do you use? What do you actually use it for?

Nobody actually answered this, and I'm genuinely interested to know how users interact with AI in the real world. Do you spend all day chatting to a Bot? Or just load it up for specific requests? And do you communicate via voice or text? And on your PC or phone or what?

I always try to do everything on laptop (used as a desktop with external screen and keyboard). I also prefer text because it seems so natural, I often think of voice after I have started typing and then just carry on. Many will probably say I spend too much time with AI and YouTube but I find both very informative ... and I don't mean the latest Martingale wheeze!

[Kai]

I use it to augment some of my trading, since I'm better with words than numbers, but it doesn't matter how you communicate with it

ChatGPT I mainly use to accelerate my learning on whatever interests me... plus gives me sidekick vibes tbh, if I thought it was useless I wouldn't bother with any of it

[Sonny]

Interaction history:

Average conversation depth: about 5.2 messages per thread (so each conversation typically has around 5–6 back-and-forth exchanges).

Average message length (your side): roughly 3,300 characters per message, which is quite detailed — about 500–600 words on average.

[Kai]

Learning VBA was just too much for me to bother with, so it's nice to delegate the task to another entity. But what does the future hold if no-one has to learn any more?

I get that, but overall it's actually made me more curious and more eager to learn about things because it's so instantly accessible wherever you are. Didn't expect it to be such a revelation for me so early, but it's had a very positive impact in different areas thus far.

It's basically an interactive encyclopedia of human knowledge but that's obvously just the baseline, since it can also interpret + explain + connect + think + create etc... Which is a lot of pluses, but only IF you frame your queries right and learn its early quirks and nuances.

I think that's where some of the skill lies, a lazy query can only really yield a lazy reply, like with human interactions, it's sort of designed to mimic our behaviour like that. But should get more user friendly later on though.

[Kai]

I wish we could hit pause and enjoy it slower, stage by stage. Even though it still makes errors it's like passing your driving license and suddenly you're driving an F1 car. Who needs an electrician, a conveyancer or a coder?

Same here, but time seems to speed up as we get older, so seems a no-brainer to use any tool that can greatly accelerate our learning and help us keep up with the mad pace of the world today.

Gone are the days of posting relatively basic queries on forums and waiting in hope that someone eventually provides an adequate reply.

But the vid I posted earlier about the "attempted murder" highlights exactly which issues we need to solve before we give it more power.