EU Membership Referendum (Brexit)

[BetBuddy]

Ian Austin, Ex Labour MP, tears Jezza a new one!

https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/sta ... 8726793218

That was priceless. According to reports Jeremy Hosking is planning on paying large sums of money to have it shown and repeated 3 times per week on national TV during the next general election. Labour will be squirming at that thought. And so they should.

[greenmark]

Game over.
Corbyn promising nationalisation for rail, water, mail and energy.
End to zero hour contracts is good, but the rest is fatal.
What a blunder!

[SweetLyrics]

I'm not sure it is.

Yes, having guaranteed work is nice, but having some work is better than none at all, which may be the consequence of scrapping zero hours.

A self-employed plumber or a freelance programmer only get paid if someone picks up the phone and requires their services. I'm not sure this is any different - you get paid if there is a need for your services.

Also, nobody forces anyone to take a zero hours contract - if I choose to take a zero hours contract, I don't think that's any of the government's business.

End to zero hour contracts is good, but the rest is fatal.

[BetBuddy]

I'm not sure it is.

Yes, having guaranteed work is nice, but having some work is better than none at all, which may be the consequence of scrapping zero hours.

A self-employed plumber or a freelance programmer only get paid if someone picks up the phone and requires their services. I'm not sure this is any different - you get paid if there is a need for your services.

Also, nobody forces anyone to take a zero hours contract - if I choose to take a zero hours contract, I don't think that's any of the government's business.

End to zero hour contracts is good, but the rest is fatal.

It is very different.

Many zero hour contracts mean you cant work for anyone else but have no hours or pay for the company that gave you the zero hour contract. Your basically on an unpaid retainer for the length of the contract you signed.

[wearthefoxhat]

I'm not sure it is.

Yes, having guaranteed work is nice, but having some work is better than none at all, which may be the consequence of scrapping zero hours.

A self-employed plumber or a freelance programmer only get paid if someone picks up the phone and requires their services. I'm not sure this is any different - you get paid if there is a need for your services.

Also, nobody forces anyone to take a zero hours contract - if I choose to take a zero hours contract, I don't think that's any of the government's business.

End to zero hour contracts is good, but the rest is fatal.

It is very different.

Many zero hour contracts mean you cant work for anyone else but have no hours or pay for the company that gave you the zero hour contract. Your basically on an unpaid retainer for the length of the contract you signed.

If zero hour contracts were run in the proper way, you could set up as many zero hour contracts with as many different employers you wanted to. It would then be first come first served without any of the companies penalising the worker for turning down work.

Again, the flexibility for both the worker and employer is the main selling point as long as the employer doesn't take the piss. Of course they do and it sounds as though it causes stress and hardship for all concerned.

[Dallas]

In yet another twist the Scottish courts have just ruled parliament must be recalled

[SweetLyrics]

You sure?

The BBC article I just read said that they ruled the suspension unlawful, but didn't recall Parliament.

That will be for the Supreme Court in London to decide next week, I believe.

[Dallas]

Y, misread on my part, ruled unlawful and the SNP and labour demand its recalled

but does set the ball in motion for more fun and games over the next few days

[SweetLyrics]

Indeed.

It is also embarrassing for Her Majesty, even though she had no choice but to act as she did.

I think that what has happened in recent weeks shows that Britain needs a written constitution, rather than relying on interpretations of traditions going back hundreds of years.

but does set the ball in motion for more fun and games over the next few days

[to75ne]

Indeed.

It is also embarrassing for Her Majesty, even though she had no choice but to act as she did.

I think that what has happened in recent weeks shows that Britain needs a written constitution, rather than relying on interpretations of traditions going back hundreds of years.

but does set the ball in motion for more fun and games over the next few days

most definitely, along with scrapping an unelected second chamber, head of state, the honours system and seperate church and state.

[SweetLyrics]

If you listen to the BBC, you might think that Boris has been taking a battering and is on the ropes.

The option polls paint a rosier picture, however: https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/stat ... 7945389058

Let's see how the land lies after the general election.

Hopefully (if you're a Brexit supporter!), Boris will have a decent majority and will have purged his party of wet MPs holding him back.

[firlandsfarm]

I think that what has happened in recent weeks shows that Britain needs a written constitution, rather than relying on interpretations of traditions going back hundreds of years.

Trouble is SweetLyrics that is will take hundreds of years for the courts to decide what the words mean!

[firlandsfarm]

most definitely, along with scrapping an unelected second chamber, head of state, the honours system and seperate church and state.

The 'unelected' chamber needs to be controlled, not scraped. There are far too many occupants and too many are their for the wrong reasons. To have an unelected chamber is a good monitor of the elected chamber, the biggest advantage is that they can do what they feel is right without always looking over their shoulders to see if they will be elected next time. Class and politics should be taken out of the selection process, maybe with an appointments committee made up from a cross party selection of MPs and not because they were friends with an outgoing PM.

[SweetLyrics]

Maybe, but hopefully we can write our constitution in less ambiguous language than the Americans wrote theirs!

However, one thing that the American constitution does having going for it is freedom of speech - sadly, I can't see our politically correct MPs embracing that one!

[firlandsfarm]

Maybe, but hopefully we can write our constitution in less ambiguous language than the Americans wrote theirs!

All law is ambiguous, that's why we need courts to decide what the law means!