EU Membership Referendum (Brexit)

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SweetLyrics
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Sure, but it's a question of degrees.

The American right to bear arms (2nd amendment) is a classic case in point. How you interpret that part of the constitution depends on your interpretation of where a comma is placed: https://www.businessinsider.com/the-com ... ?r=US&IR=T
firlandsfarm wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:10 pm
SweetLyrics wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:53 pm
Maybe, but hopefully we can write our constitution in less ambiguous language than the Americans wrote theirs! :)
All law is ambiguous, that's why we need courts to decide what the law means!
greenmark
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The 2nd amendment equates to 40,000 lives per year. Sure enough, humans will find ways to kill themseleves and each other, but a gun is so immediate and detached that it needs to be treated differently. A gun has such a limited use in society, its totally bonkers that they're a retail purchase. Totally, totally bonkers.
Oh no, I've turned into Trump! Trying to win the argument by repetition!
convoysur-2
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Hi Lads ,
This may be in the wrong place ,,but here goes,
im from and currently live in Co Donegal Republic of ireland . its a 15 min drive to strabane co tyrone -or co derry -londonderry-
So we have always had a close connection to the uk right on our door step .we buy a hell of alot of goods in northern ireland ,many many millions per year ,
We would typically order from amazon,co,uk and we get free next day delivery and some savings,we give a postal company as our adress,and then they deliver from the northern ireland adress to a postal depot near us and we pay 3 euro per package ,its a real earner for this small company,
But Now
This is whats happening ,
to recieve a package from the UK we have to regester with the postal company and produce like drivers licence and utility bills so they always have on file so the gouv can check if you owe import taxes,its real there doing it right now.
now no one is going to give all there personal info to a postal company ,just so they can get 6GB ram 10 quid cheaper,,
This is only 1 example of how Uk business are going to suffer,
perhaps in that theres an opertunaty for some one to make a business ,but i cant see it..
its all really sad ,because the peace process brought us togeather ,and we now go to others communitys ,this kinda postal shit is another devision ,we fought hard for peace ,we want to keep it,
Britexit is making it almost impossible for us here to purchase goods in the UK ,via mail ,Amazon ,Ebay etc,
BetBuddy
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convoysur-2 wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:53 am
Hi Lads ,
This may be in the wrong place ,,but here goes,
im from and currently live in Co Donegal Republic of ireland . its a 15 min drive to strabane co tyrone -or co derry -londonderry-
So we have always had a close connection to the uk right on our door step .we buy a hell of alot of goods in northern ireland ,many many millions per year ,
We would typically order from amazon,co,uk and we get free next day delivery and some savings,we give a postal company as our adress,and then they deliver from the northern ireland adress to a postal depot near us and we pay 3 euro per package ,its a real earner for this small company,
But Now
This is whats happening ,
to recieve a package from the UK we have to regester with the postal company and produce like drivers licence and utility bills so they always have on file so the gouv can check if you owe import taxes,its real there doing it right now.
now no one is going to give all there personal info to a postal company ,just so they can get 6GB ram 10 quid cheaper,,
This is only 1 example of how Uk business are going to suffer,
perhaps in that theres an opertunaty for some one to make a business ,but i cant see it..
its all really sad ,because the peace process brought us togeather ,and we now go to others communitys ,this kinda postal shit is another devision ,we fought hard for peace ,we want to keep it,
Britexit is making it almost impossible for us here to purchase goods in the UK ,via mail ,Amazon ,Ebay etc,
The UK manufactures very little, we just the go between.

Why can’t you purchase from amazon Ireland or other EU branch ?
convoysur-2
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BetBuddy wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:26 am
convoysur-2 wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:53 am
Hi Lads ,
This may be in the wrong place ,,but here goes,
im from and currently live in Co Donegal Republic of ireland . its a 15 min drive to strabane co tyrone -or co derry -londonderry-
So we have always had a close connection to the uk right on our door step .we buy a hell of alot of goods in northern ireland ,many many millions per year ,
We would typically order from amazon,co,uk and we get free next day delivery and some savings,we give a postal company as our adress,and then they deliver from the northern ireland adress to a postal depot near us and we pay 3 euro per package ,its a real earner for this small company,
But Now
This is whats happening ,
to recieve a package from the UK we have to regester with the postal company and produce like drivers licence and utility bills so they always have on file so the gouv can check if you owe import taxes,its real there doing it right now.
now no one is going to give all there personal info to a postal company ,just so they can get 6GB ram 10 quid cheaper,,
This is only 1 example of how Uk business are going to suffer,
perhaps in that theres an opertunaty for some one to make a business ,but i cant see it..
its all really sad ,because the peace process brought us togeather ,and we now go to others communitys ,this kinda postal shit is another devision ,we fought hard for peace ,we want to keep it,
Britexit is making it almost impossible for us here to purchase goods in the UK ,via mail ,Amazon ,Ebay etc,
The UK manufactures very little, we just the go between.

Why can’t you purchase from amazon Ireland or other EU branch ?
Well there is much more competition in the Uk . we have like 4 million -you have like 65 million ,the competition gives offers that we dont get .like Next day delivey free, you guys probably take that for granted ,its not normal here ,so postage makes it too expensive,so we have it sent to a postal store on the border area ,and pick it up or have it delivered locally for a small 3 euro fee..
if i want something tomorrow morning i can go on amazon and have it by lunch tomorrow,via the royal mail (EVEN THOUGH IM IN THE IRISH REPUBLIC)
euro express mail is a joke ,and its slow and over priced,
convoysur-2
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BetBuddy wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:26 am
convoysur-2 wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:53 am
Hi Lads ,
This may be in the wrong place ,,but here goes,
im from and currently live in Co Donegal Republic of ireland . its a 15 min drive to strabane co tyrone -or co derry -londonderry-
So we have always had a close connection to the uk right on our door step .we buy a hell of alot of goods in northern ireland ,many many millions per year ,
We would typically order from amazon,co,uk and we get free next day delivery and some savings,we give a postal company as our adress,and then they deliver from the northern ireland adress to a postal depot near us and we pay 3 euro per package ,its a real earner for this small company,
But Now
This is whats happening ,
to recieve a package from the UK we have to regester with the postal company and produce like drivers licence and utility bills so they always have on file so the gouv can check if you owe import taxes,its real there doing it right now.
now no one is going to give all there personal info to a postal company ,just so they can get 6GB ram 10 quid cheaper,,
This is only 1 example of how Uk business are going to suffer,
perhaps in that theres an opertunaty for some one to make a business ,but i cant see it..
its all really sad ,because the peace process brought us togeather ,and we now go to others communitys ,this kinda postal shit is another devision ,we fought hard for peace ,we want to keep it,
Britexit is making it almost impossible for us here to purchase goods in the UK ,via mail ,Amazon ,Ebay etc,
The UK manufactures very little, we just the go between.

Why can’t you purchase from amazon Ireland or other EU branch ?
Well there is much more competition in the Uk . we have like 4 million -you have like 65 million ,the competition gives offers that we dont get .like Next day delivey free, you guys probably take that for granted ,its not normal here ,so postage makes it too expensive,so we have it sent to a postal store on the border area ,and pick it up or have it delivered locally for a small 3 euro fee..
if i want something tomorrow morning i can go on amazon and have it by lunch tomorrow,via the royal mail (EVEN THOUGH IM IN THE IRISH REPUBLIC)
euro express mail is a joke ,and its slow and over priced,
Many Many millions will stop going to small business because we are suppose to produce my driving licence or passport ,and proof of adress like bank statment- in order to receive mail from the UK ,,this is stupid,
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firlandsfarm
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convoysur-2 wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:53 am
This is only 1 example of how Uk business are going to suffer,
Maybe but from what I've heard business in the Republic will be much harder hit. Not just Irish exports to the UK but also Irish exports to the EU that pass through the UK. Apparently something like 85% of Irish exports to the EU depart Dublin for UK ports, then road to Dover and then ferry or Eurotunnel to the continental mainland because it's nearly half the time of a ferry direct from Dublin. And the Taoiseach doesn't seem to care a Eurocent! If the EU don't do a deal they will be throwing Ireland (Eire) under the proverbial bus!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44657460
https://www.imdo.ie/Home/sites/default/ ... 0Final.pdf (just the first few pages unless you want to be a nerd! :) )
convoysur-2
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firlandsfarm wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:17 am
convoysur-2 wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:53 am
This is only 1 example of how Uk business are going to suffer,
Maybe but from what I've heard business in the Republic will be much harder hit. Not just Irish exports to the UK but also Irish exports to the EU that pass through the UK. Apparently something like 85% of Irish exports to the EU depart Dublin for UK ports, then road to Dover and then ferry or Eurotunnel to the continental mainland because it's nearly half the time of a ferry direct from Dublin. And the Taoiseach doesn't seem to care a Eurocent! If the EU don't do a deal they will be throwing Ireland (Eire) under the proverbial bus!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44657460
https://www.imdo.ie/Home/sites/default/ ... 0Final.pdf (just the first few pages unless you want to be a nerd! :) )
Yes we will be hit very hard,
Just last week Boris and our fearless leader,both agreed that 50% of your dairy products and beef ,50% is bought by the UK ,That alone is frightening business to lose,I really dont think there will be any winners from this shit mess,
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BetBuddy
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convoysur-2 wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:40 am
firlandsfarm wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:17 am
convoysur-2 wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:53 am
This is only 1 example of how Uk business are going to suffer,
Maybe but from what I've heard business in the Republic will be much harder hit. Not just Irish exports to the UK but also Irish exports to the EU that pass through the UK. Apparently something like 85% of Irish exports to the EU depart Dublin for UK ports, then road to Dover and then ferry or Eurotunnel to the continental mainland because it's nearly half the time of a ferry direct from Dublin. And the Taoiseach doesn't seem to care a Eurocent! If the EU don't do a deal they will be throwing Ireland (Eire) under the proverbial bus!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44657460
https://www.imdo.ie/Home/sites/default/ ... 0Final.pdf (just the first few pages unless you want to be a nerd! :) )
Yes we will be hit very hard,
Just last week Boris and our fearless leader,both agreed that 50% of your dairy products and beef ,50% is bought by the UK ,That alone is frightening business to lose,I really dont think there will be any winners from this shit mess,
Convoysur-2
If there is no deal then I imagine the EU will have to come up with a very large compensation payment to Eire as French, Dutch and German farmers will not want large amounts of Irish beef being switched to the continent and hitting their own markets. Tariff's mean the UK consumer is unlikely to purchase. Probably why work has been done on importing Argentinian beef with zero tariff.
convoysur-2
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Dont know if your news channels have covered it .
But we will soon be out of beef as the farmers have blocked all the slaughter houses and thousands have no work because of the blockades,,
we dont want the south american beef,
but the gouverment were sneeky feeckers and did a deal behind our backs,
if the farmers dont stop the south american beef imports the irish farmer will be finished,
the south american beef seems to be the way the gouv want to fix the problem,but the irish people are not having it,
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SweetLyrics
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Genuine question.

What would you do about Brexit if you were Varadkar?
convoysur-2 wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:04 pm
Dont know if your news channels have covered it .
But we will soon be out of beef as the farmers have blocked all the slaughter houses and thousands have no work because of the blockades,,
we dont want the south american beef,
but the gouverment were sneeky feeckers and did a deal behind our backs,
if the farmers dont stop the south american beef imports the irish farmer will be finished,
the south american beef seems to be the way the gouv want to fix the problem,but the irish people are not having it,
Convoysur-2
convoysur-2
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SweetLyrics wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:04 pm
Genuine question.

What would you do about Brexit if you were Varadkar?
convoysur-2 wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:04 pm
Dont know if your news channels have covered it .
But we will soon be out of beef as the farmers have blocked all the slaughter houses and thousands have no work because of the blockades,,
we dont want the south american beef,
but the gouverment were sneeky feeckers and did a deal behind our backs,
if the farmers dont stop the south american beef imports the irish farmer will be finished,
the south american beef seems to be the way the gouv want to fix the problem,but the irish people are not having it,
Convoysur-2
Well to be honest i hate the sight of him.so i cant answer your question .He was never elected ,He got the position by proxy ,like boris and other recent british prime ministers ,the people didnt elect them and in my view shouldent be alowed to make these decissions,
he and his partners .F/F and F/G are crooks,and they prop each other up in the Dail (parlament) not for the good of there country or people ,
For the island of ireland ,we are very lucky we have joined the Eu ,Because if we had not ,we would be so fucked by now from westminister ,
because those people are so disconected from the situation in northern ireland that its not even funny,
and only for the strength of the EU and usa visits from Pence etc, irish republic would be back to the famine days ,and already UK would be out without a backstop ,for peace and those 3.600 lifes that were lost would all have been for nothing ,
Im happy that british parliment stoped any efforts to leave with a risk of return to war ,
This is what we fear most,
I would not want people to witness the horror of war,that i did growing up in the troubles,(never understood it being called the troubles ,it was a war)a return to war is not an opion,
The backstop must remain at all costs .
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greenmark
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I don't get it A Tory Govt is walking towards a scenario of subsidies, ditching NI into the EU and low tariffs for imports from the EU, alongside high tariffs for exports to th EU.
Its lunacy.
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Tweet of the day, VAR strikes again.

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Euler wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:01 pm
Tweet of the day, VAR strikes again.

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