Mad Bomber??

[andyfuller]

enzabella what is that picture from????????

If I am not much mistaken that is a picture of their (or someone elses) Profit and Loss Statement on a single market with Average Odds turned on, hence the * next to the odds.

As for what currency it is heck knows. But that does not show what this person turned over Inrunning it just shows what Enzabella2009 (or someone else they are able to get a screen grab from) turned over in a specific market and I am guessing it isn't in pounds sterling, unless of course Enzabella2009 is the bomber.

[andyfuller]

He is very specific when he enters and his bets tend to match certain criteria..viz he is technically trading.

I have checked all his "bombs" today and the amounts he is betting varies from race to race but always brings the odds down to a technical indicator.

Very much disagree with this.

The final odds they bring the bets down to are not determined on the whole by the person but by the market. People such as myself will build a position up and lay it back off against this person. Therefore how much of their back stake remains is often determined by how much money people have to lay off. For example sometimes I will lay off several thousand against this person other times non depending on how I see the move panning out.

Also sometimes they just drop their money and have no control over how much money is waiting to lay at various odds. For example they could be looking to drop the money down to 2.4 but just as they drop it someone puts in a lay for £10,000 at 2.5 meaning they don't reach the 2.4 level. They have no control over what other people are doing.

Sometimes, 'they' seemingly give up trying to get their money on one horse and switch to another. In the very early days they were doing it on the rank outsiders, this got very little coverage for obvious reasons but I know a few people on here made a fortune from it and obviously kept it very quiet.

In the past 'they' have backed beaten horses inrunning for tens of thousands, in one particular example they come to the market late as the previous race was still running, as soon as that finished they moved to the next which was off and the fav was stuffed and I think I remember correctly was being pulled up yet still they hammered it in (obviously it didn't take long to have their money matched). This was literally throwing money away and offered absolutely no trading opportunity.

Numerous times you see 'them' inrunning and the person never has the slightest chance to exit a position as the odds just drift and no where near enough money is matched in the drift for them to be closing out.

Other times 'they' have laid horses, moving from one to another to another.

Sometimes they hammer multiple horses at once.

Anyway if this is all the same person which I believe it is I really see no logic to it, if you are seeing technical indicators in it all I would love to hear more as for all I can tell they just love to loose money.

All in all though I really couldn't care what they are doing but I just hope they keep on doing it as it is making a lot of people a lot of money, may the good times roll

P.S. The only one thing I can possibly think of that they could be doing is some crazy PC thing to rack up charges.

P.P.S. The UK horse racing isn't they only market you see them operating in (but you will have to figure out which other markets they do for yourselves)

P.P.P.S. I think it is important to also remember that there are a lot of non traders out there.

[jamesthetrader]

Am I the only person that doesn't want this guy in the market? I mean I always trade the fav for obvious reasons and lay more than back on average, if I get causght by one of these bombs it knocks me back 10 races!!! I know you could just say to jump infront of the money but I always feel this is very very risky as there is also a lot of spoof back bets that appear and when they're pulled the drift is immense, you can also back with bigger stakes and if you get on big hoping the bomber will drag his bet down and he/the spoofer pulls it then you are left high and dry!!

I prefer a steady stream of profitable races using the methods that generally serve me well and that I have spent 2-3 years learning and adapting. These huge bombs have led me to look at other ways to trade the markets, but I will never ever be comfortable jumping infront of big money with back bets!!

Maybe I will see some pattern in the future and get to know more often than not as to when he's going to drag it down and smash the price in.

[enzabella2009]

The picture is not mine and currency does not make any difference. Half million euros is around 427,000 pounds. My point was not showing off with that picture but, my point was that we play little money compare to some real punters. There are people outside UK that really push some big, very big money around sports events and some of them are also traders. I did not think you guys were interested of the full picture because it was just for making a point. However I am going to attach the full picture but, please don`t feel it like a challange or don`t feel like I am trying to make you look like sardines compare to some real sharks..
It was all done in PLAY...barcellona starting odds were around 1.38 on kick off...

enzabella what is that picture from????????

If I am not much mistaken that is a picture of their (or someone elses) Profit and Loss Statement on a single market with Average Odds turned on, hence the * next to the odds.

As for what currency it is heck knows. But that does not show what this person turned over Inrunning it just shows what Enzabella2009 (or someone else they are able to get a screen grab from) turned over in a specific market and I am guessing it isn't in pounds sterling, unless of course Enzabella2009 is the bomber.

[gutuami]

The currency does make a big difference:
BF accepts:
UK Sterling
Euro
US Dollar
Hong Kong Dollar
Australian Dollar
Canadian Dollar
Danish Krone
Norwegian Krone
Swedish Krona
Singapore Dollar

for your reference:
1.00GBP=10.7211 SEK (Swedish Krona)
1.00GBP=12.2730 HKD (Hong Kong Dollar)

So: 24,544.26 HKD = 1,999.81 GBP

[andyfuller]

My point was not showing off with that picture but, my point was that we play little money compare to some real punters.

I got the impression from your comment that you were saying the picture was from the Bomber when you said:

Check my picture again, he traded HALF MILLION in running between 1.41 and 1.48.

Now I get what you are saying, it is a picture that someone else traded inrunning on a football market.

BTW I hope you don't get yourself linked to this person now for PC calculations.

The Bomber might just be playing with say £30k in a race but if you think about how much he has lost over the years it is huge (I don't have any records just my own mental records) and could quite easily make your mate look small fry

[jamesthetrader]

Agreed Andy,

This has been going on for at least 3 years that I have been noticing it and he could esily lose £100,00 a day! even though I cannot be sure it's the same person I think it's very likely that it is?

Surely his money has to run out sometime?? if not? how has he made so much in the past by having such a reckless streak in him? I seriously cannot fathom it out but I must admit I don't enjoy it much when he's about in the Horse markets.

[andyfuller]

Losing £100,000 would be a good day for them some days! I have seen them lose a lot more than that.

I don't see that their money has to run out, for all we know they could have billions in the bank and just because they seem reckless on Betfair it doesn't mean they can't be a success in other walks of life.

As has been said we will no doubt never know what the heck they are doing but at least it is fun to cogitate on what they might be doing.

[jamesthetrader]

Yeah would love to find out one day! What I meant is that even though they could be successful in other activities and make a lot of money, it is usually the type of person who is very good with money and investing etc.... that's what sets them apart and ultimately what makes them money, I can only think that if it is someone of this background? and I don't know eiter way. Then he must have a serious gambling problem as anyone with sound business acumen and who isproficiet in making money throuh other streams surely wouldn't be literally throwing his money away as he does? Sure he will win from time to time but all gamblers do, If you hrow enough darts you will eventually hit a bulsseye...

That said it's all speculation really and I suppose it adds a bit of excitement and discussion in the community!!

[Iron]

Newcastle owner Mike Ashley once lost £300 million on a single bet (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/latest/200 ... -20745653/), showing someone can be a successful businessperson but a terrible gambler!

Jeff

[jamesthetrader]

Apologies for the horrid spelling by the way, it's my very temperamental wireless keyboard Gonna have to get a new one sorted, If only I could workout this bomber, I might be able to get enough money to buy one

[jamesthetrader]

Good point Jeff,

I suppose there are lots of people out there who are mega rich and the amounts we see is just pocket change to them? Just the same as me going to the races and having a few £5 bets. £25,000 is probably nothing to the guy who's doing it and is probably the equivalent for them? Madness

[enzabella2009]

Hi, Andy
how can you be so sure he/she losing money? That is what I can`t understand..If you had some inside information why don`t you share with the community of this forum? or are you just guessing because you are an experienced trader so you see no logic on what is going on . You are not a punter right?
However the guy from the picture is not my mate, I would probably love to meet him. On a quite football week he made around 60,000 euros. I agree with you when you say that there may be people around that make look him small fry. There are 3 guys in Italy that make around 20 million euros a year but, they are only punters. The guy from the picture is actually a in running trader. Did you ever hear a guy called Billy Walters? He makes the 3 italian guys look small fry. The world is full of successfull traders and punters you just need to search outside the UK box. I also strongly believe that the bomber is actually making money. He/she is on the market more often then we may think but, we only notice when he/she drop bombs on us.. When I read posts on this forum about the bomber I sense a big frustration from many people of this community, I doubt people are getting benefit from his/her behaviour on the market. You have claimed you are making money out of him/her but, I still sense frustration when you try to diminish his work, saying that the bomber is losing a fortune in cash, but without evidence. I am not saying you are totally wrong because I have also no evidence, but I would not be so sure.

Andyfuller quoted:The Bomber might just be playing with say £30k in a race but if you think about how much he has lost over the years it is huge (I don't have any records just my own mental records) and could quite easily make your mate look small fry[/quote]

[andyfuller]

No frustration from me with the Bomber, I welcome them with open arms as I know several others do.

I have heard of Billy Waters btw and am aware that betting and trading is big outside of the UK as well as inside it.

What's your reasoning for why the bomber is making money you must have some to make you come to that conclusion?

My reasoning/evidence why they are losing is because of the size of money they throw into the market and more often than not they have no way of recouping this money and I don't believe they ever try. I.e they are not backing with the big amounts and then laying off.

Also I see them following no logical plan. They tend to just place a bet on the fav then when that race is over move to the next race and place a bet on the fav again. The key determinate as to when they place a bet is usually the finishing of the previous race as opposed to the price the horse is trading at.

Also we often hear the market is very efficient and especially at the front of the book over the long run prices the runners very accurately. However, the bomber is repeatedly taking way under the odds which long term means one thing - they loose.

[LeTiss]

Andy,

I understand your reasoning why you think Enzabella's fella is losing money, but this is an area of BF that fascinates me. IMO some of the biggest winners on BF are punters, who take advantage of getting books near 100% and just smash into what they see as value.

My understanding of Billy Waters is that he's a perfect example. He's primarily a professional gambler who uses all sorts of sporting + financial analysis to determine his selections. I think gamblers and traders cross each other to the point it becomes a bit blurred as to who is who.