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[Michael5482]

Mason Mount to leave Man U suppose the only question is what took them so long. No club in England will take him on they'll be outrage and rightly so. A very lucky man that the girl in question asked the police no to press charges and withdrew her evidence but the video was very damming.

Probably end up in Saudi they won't care about his treatment of women.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66554874

You mean Greenwood, of course. But this whole destruction of someone's career (with no criminality proven) is quite disturbing. It's a bit like the medieval witch ducking.
Ched Evans springs to mind, convicted, not guilty on appeal, but his own evidence for me categorises him as a total scumbag. But justice says he's not guilty, but his career has been ruined.

Yes apologies Greenwood. The video of Greenwood is the only disturbing thing in this whole case. He was caught red handed threatening to beat a women up and force himself on her.

Yes he's not been proven in a court of law but there's no denying he has a total disregard for women. The only person who's ruined his career is himself through his own behavior. He can still have a career it just probably won't be in English football or in football at all.

[greenmark]

Mason Mount to leave Man U suppose the only question is what took them so long. No club in England will take him on they'll be outrage and rightly so. A very lucky man that the girl in question asked the police no to press charges and withdrew her evidence but the video was very damming.

Probably end up in Saudi they won't care about his treatment of women.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66554874

You mean Greenwood, of course. But this whole destruction of someone's career (with no criminality proven) is quite disturbing. It's a bit like the medieval witch ducking.
Ched Evans springs to mind, convicted, not guilty on appeal, but his own evidence for me categorises him as a total scumbag. But justice says he's not guilty, but his career has been ruined.

Yes apologies Greenwood. The video of Greenwood is the only disturbing thing in this whole case. He was caught red handed threatening to beat a women up and force himself on her.

Yes he's not been proven in a court of law but there's no denying he has a total disregard for women. The only person who's ruined his career is himself through his own behavior. He can still have a career it just probably won't be in English football or in football at all.

OK, not seen the video. But if it was damning the law would have acted. Lots of people are scumbags. But I guess if you are in the public eye you need to realise bad behaviour that becomes public (criminal or not) is going to wreck your life. I just don't like this prosecution by media. It's like a 2nd level of punishment.
Greenwood is a young man that lost the plot and will pay dearly. Let's hope his assertion that he just wants to be a "good father, a better person, and to use my talents in a positive way on and off the pitch" turns out to be true.

[Kai]

The only person who's ruined his career is himself through his own behavior.

Agreed, altho in part it's an inherent problem with the industry as well, too much money and too much power at too young an age, with not enough structure and guidance around it

And in part a systemic cultural problem at club level since players grow up with/at the club but their clubs fail to instil basic family values, fail at basic duty of care etc

For me obviously a very good player with a rare innate finishing ability and touted as the next big striker so understandably a valuable asset for the club... and they clearly did initially decide to bring him back and prepared a strategy and narrative for it, but sadly one that cowardly hides behind the women's team

But surely if you're a role model to millions of fans, in one of the biggest footballing brands in the worlds, you don't have to be a saint like Rashford but you do have a moral obligation to at least not be the biggest piece of shit out there, as this hurts the brand and the dressing room and the league product and ultimately all your fans, especially ones that went through domestic abuse etc

Obviously this is not your typical social media overreaction, and whether you are ultimately found guilty or not you already know you've basically blown your chance at greatness and that is how the standards should be at the very top

Bottom line I think, you don't want your kids and grandkids idolizing rapists... and other fans don't want to be repulsed every time they see his name on the teamsheet either, if Mo Salah did the same tomorrow I'd want him to fuck off the next day

[Archangel]

One could argue that professional footballers are some of the worst examples of humanity there is...

[greenmark]

The only person who's ruined his career is himself through his own behavior.

Agreed, altho in part it's an inherent problem with the industry as well, too much money and too much power at too young an age, with not enough structure and guidance around it

And in part a systemic cultural problem at club level since players grow up with/at the club but their clubs fail to instil basic family values, fail at basic duty of care etc

For me obviously a very good player with a rare innate finishing ability and touted as the next big striker so understandably a valuable asset for the club... and they clearly did initially decide to bring him back and prepared a strategy and narrative for it, but sadly one that cowardly hides behind the women's team

But surely if you're a role model to millions of fans, in one of the biggest footballing brands in the worlds, you don't have to be a saint like Rashford but you do have a moral obligation to at least not be the biggest piece of shit out there, as this hurts the brand and the dressing room and the league product and ultimately all your fans, especially ones that went through domestic abuse etc

Obviously this is not your typical social media overreaction, and whether you are ultimately found guilty or not you already know you've basically blown your chance at greatness and that is how the standards should be at the very top

Bottom line I think, you don't want your kids and grandkids idolizing rapists... and other fans don't want to be repulsed every time they see his name on the teamsheet either, if Mo Salah did the same tomorrow I'd want him to fuck off the next day

Greenwood or Evans are not rapists according to the law. They are both "guilty" of repulsive behaviour, so perhaps I'm wrong about prosecution by media. Perhaps if you behave in a disgraceful way, you deserve to lose your marketing appeal. C'est la vie!

[Kai]

OK, not seen the video.

It's been sitting in your inbox if you wanted to have a gander and form an opinion

[ShaunWhite]

I'm not disagreeing with the decision on Mount but when did being a footballer automatically make you a "role model"? Everyone decent from George Best to Gazza was the antithesis of "role model".

Maybe we never win anything because they're selecting chiorboys instead of footballers? I'm obviously not talking about absolute wrong uns but ffs they're all so anodyne these days.

[greenmark]

OK, not seen the video.

It's been sitting in your inbox if you wanted to have a gander and form an opinion

What's the point. I trust our justice system to judge. Sure enough I was all over the Ched Evans case and was nauseated by his self confessed behaviour, but that's not criminality. No amount of watching vids of Greenwood is going to change the actuality. The actuality is "Not guilty".
That's it.
The rest is commercial and social judgement. I suspect Greenwood will suffer a lot.

[Kai]

I'm not disagreeing with the decision on Mount

Just to be 100% clear here, I firmly believe that Mason Mount is innocent

[Archangel]

Just to be 100% clear here, I firmly believe that Mason Mount is innocent

Unless mediocrity is a crime

[Kai]

Just to be 100% clear here, I firmly believe that Mason Mount is innocent

Unless mediocrity is a crime

Obviously the lad has made some poor decisions recently as well, but nothing that warrants a court ruling!

[Kai]

I trust our justice system to judge. Sure enough I was all over the Ched Evans case and was nauseated by his self confessed behaviour, but that's not criminality. No amount of watching vids of Greenwood is going to change the actuality. The actuality is "Not guilty".

Well if you ever develop the stomach for it you know exactly where to find it.

Indeed, Greenwood and the club can afford better lawyers so the end result is hardly a surprise to anyone, but perhaps the justice system itself should raise a few questions if you can get away with it even in broad daylight. Stockholm syndrome at its finest.

And if you think Greenwood is repulsive you should hear her parents.

[Emmson]

As someone who doesn't watch or follow much football or football markets these days are the market volumes holding up lately or are they mirroring the nags?

[Kai]

As someone who doesn't watch or follow much football or football markets these days are the market volumes holding up lately or are they mirroring the nags?

Not looked at any numbers but don't notice much difference from last season

[Michael5482]

As someone who doesn't watch or follow much football or football markets these days are the market volumes holding up lately or are they mirroring the nags?

I personally think volumes are decent probably they'll be a decline of the glory years of yester year but times change and you have to change with it. Of course you always want more money flowing into the markets but like any sport chose your battles and stake inline with the market but football is OK IMO.

Palace v Arsenal over 4 million matched on the match odds market and nearly half a million on Over/Under 2.5 and it's just gone half time. Obviously a TV game these trade a lot better and probably had an impact on other games on tonight like Bologna v AC match odds which has done just under a million at HT.