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Kai
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Kai wrote:
Fri Sep 01, 2023 11:06 am
Transfer deadline day could be a doozy
Wonder how high Saudis can bid for Salah, John W. Henry must be getting dizzy already

But my take is why even bring Salah to your shit league, as the biggest Muslim football star in the world he's doing far more work here promoting your entire culture, as a genuine role model for millions of Westerners both young and old
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Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:32 am
Agreed but to me the problem with the way VAR is used is that the 'obvious error' requirement is ignored and the VAR team look for the tiniest infringement! The obvious one is Offside ... there is no way that to be 1mm offside is an "obvious error". Look at how cricket apply the technology ... generally the umpire has to be incorrect by half the width of the ball (OK, you then get 1mm over or under half the width of the ball but it still leaves a margin for 'obvious' and before anyone chips-in I'm not looking for half the width of a football! :))
Just wanted to add to my earlier post ... Another problem with VAR is it is statistically biased towards the defending team. In the main checks are only made when a goal is scored and if the attacking team has done something wrong the goal is disallowed but what about when a foul or an offside decision is wrongly made against the attacking team. The referee blows, the game is stopped and the defending team have a free kick. It's not checked so any error in awarding against the attacking team cannot 'even itself out'. But if it was how would the game restart, any advantage the attacking team had would be lost. The winner of such incorrect decisions can only be the defending team.
It's a bit potty isn't it. Does anyone really believe that football pitches are drawn to these exacting standards. Perhaps the VAR tech is capable of being millimetre perfect, but their datum must be the lines drawn on the turf. Unfortunately the genie is out of the bottle. Even if you widen the margin of error there will still be arguments about the decisions that are close to whatever boundary we set.
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Kai wrote:
Fri Sep 01, 2023 3:38 pm


Wonder how high Saudis can bid for Salah, John W. Henry must be getting dizzy already

But my take is why even bring Salah to your shit league, as the biggest Muslim football star in the world he's doing far more work here promoting your entire culture, as a genuine role model for millions of Westerners both young and old
The Saudis are trying to legitimise their country and their league as far as I can see. Buying the biggest names in world football just expediates that process. The main issue now that football has is that the game has for years been allowed to be completely controlled by money, agents etc. and along come the Saudis who seem to have endless resources. Its only going to end up one way!
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Silly money thrown around. If I was a Liverpool fan I'd take £200m for Salah. Aging, not much left on the contract. I mean it's a no brainer.
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Euler wrote:
Fri Sep 01, 2023 7:21 pm
Silly money thrown around. If I was a Liverpool fan I'd take £200m for Salah. Aging, not much left on the contract. I mean it's a no brainer.
Saw yesterday someone had done the calculations taking into account inflation in football and it was late 90s early 00s when transfers where at the highest
It was topped by Shevchenko who'd be worth over £200m today
followed by Ferdinand also around or just over £200m

Had a pint of beer rose the same it would cost around £55 a pint in todays money :shock:
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Dallas wrote:
Fri Sep 01, 2023 7:30 pm
Euler wrote:
Fri Sep 01, 2023 7:21 pm
Silly money thrown around. If I was a Liverpool fan I'd take £200m for Salah. Aging, not much left on the contract. I mean it's a no brainer.
Saw yesterday someone had done the calculations taking into account inflation in football and it was late 90s early 00s when transfers where at the highest
It was topped by Shevchenko who'd be worth over £200m today
followed by Ferdinand also around or just over £200m

Had a pint of beer rose the same it would cost around £55 a pint in todays money :shock:
It wasn't sky sports I saw it on but they picked up the same story
https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... usted-fees
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Would hold out for something like £300m

They're desperate to land Salah
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£500m and a few oil wells and you got a deal Saudi :D
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Fri Sep 01, 2023 8:18 pm
£500m and a few oil wells and you got a deal Saudi :D
For £300m I'll drive Mo to the airport myself and chuck in a duct taped Joe Gomez as well

Feels inevitable now so just get it over with already, the sheer arrogance of it though :evil:

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One thing is for certain though, Saudis would make absolutely terrible traders

Every entry would cause like a 30 tick spike or something SMH

EDIT : Actually yeah, that's not a bad idea, we need Betfair to expand there, could someone email Peter Jackson : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcuAw77J8_Y
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Kai wrote:
Sat Sep 02, 2023 11:03 am
Archangel wrote:
Fri Sep 01, 2023 8:18 pm
£500m and a few oil wells and you got a deal Saudi :D
For £300m I'll drive Mo to the airport myself and chuck in a duct taped Joe Gomez as well

Feels inevitable now so just get it over with already, the sheer arrogance of it though :evil:

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:lol: "duct taped Joe Gomez". Poor lad!
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Btw the irony that Liverpool has been doing it to other clubs is not lost on me :D

But it just sucks that someone else is doing it to EPL clubs now!

The league just spent 2 billion and they can't compete with Saudis. And Saudi window is STILL open for a week or two :shock:
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greenmark wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2023 9:33 am
Michael5482 wrote:
Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:53 pm
Good grief Everton are bad
The vibe around EFC is pretty toxic ATM.
There's the whiff of Usmanov lingering (a number of managers claim he was present at their interviews before the sanctions and gave the impression that he owned the club).
Moshiri doesn't seem to have a clue about running a football.
A number of fans are not too chuffed having a betting company name splashed across the players chests and around the stadium.
It looks like that vibe has leaked onto the pitch.
Dyche has one hell of a job there.
A may be imagining it but he seems a bit less dynamic in his interviews, not the guy from the Burnley days, bristling with energy and confidence.
A spell in The Championship is probably what they need, give them a chance to get rid of Moshiri and rebuild. The new ground won't do anything for them on the pitch, 18 players out and only 5 in this season looking at the numbers tells it's own story.

It's the fans who always suffer when these dubious owners who are allowed got hold of football clubs.
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Michael5482 wrote:
Sat Sep 02, 2023 12:47 pm
greenmark wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2023 9:33 am
Michael5482 wrote:
Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:53 pm
Good grief Everton are bad
The vibe around EFC is pretty toxic ATM.
There's the whiff of Usmanov lingering (a number of managers claim he was present at their interviews before the sanctions and gave the impression that he owned the club).
Moshiri doesn't seem to have a clue about running a football.
A number of fans are not too chuffed having a betting company name splashed across the players chests and around the stadium.
It looks like that vibe has leaked onto the pitch.
Dyche has one hell of a job there.
A may be imagining it but he seems a bit less dynamic in his interviews, not the guy from the Burnley days, bristling with energy and confidence.
A spell in The Championship is probably what they need, give them a chance to get rid of Moshiri and rebuild. The new ground won't do anything for them on the pitch, 18 players out and only 5 in this season looking at the numbers tells it's own story.

It's the fans who always suffer when these dubious owners who are allowed got hold of football clubs.
What do you think of Kenwright? I think he sold his stake knowing that the new owner had greater resources. I don't think he twigged he was selling to an eejit and wouldn't be able to dissuade Moshiri from doing dumb things. The fans appear to hate him right now.
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greenmark wrote:
Sat Sep 02, 2023 12:57 pm
Michael5482 wrote:
Sat Sep 02, 2023 12:47 pm
greenmark wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2023 9:33 am

The vibe around EFC is pretty toxic ATM.
There's the whiff of Usmanov lingering (a number of managers claim he was present at their interviews before the sanctions and gave the impression that he owned the club).
Moshiri doesn't seem to have a clue about running a football.
A number of fans are not too chuffed having a betting company name splashed across the players chests and around the stadium.
It looks like that vibe has leaked onto the pitch.
Dyche has one hell of a job there.
A may be imagining it but he seems a bit less dynamic in his interviews, not the guy from the Burnley days, bristling with energy and confidence.
A spell in The Championship is probably what they need, give them a chance to get rid of Moshiri and rebuild. The new ground won't do anything for them on the pitch, 18 players out and only 5 in this season looking at the numbers tells it's own story.

It's the fans who always suffer when these dubious owners who are allowed got hold of football clubs.
What do you think of Kenwright? I think he sold his stake knowing that the new owner had greater resources. I don't think he twigged he was selling to an eejit and wouldn't be able to dissuade Moshiri from doing dumb things. The fans appear to hate him right now.
Kenwright was possibly one of the last of what you would call an old fashioned owner, local businessman and supporter type who like you say probably thought he was doing the best for the club with outside investment to try compete with other clubs and it's all gone south.

Kenwrights heart has always been in Everton but in reality Everton completely missed the boat when the Premier League kicked in and have been playing catch up ever since and the gap gets bigger every season. Say's it all when the seasons starts and their goal is not to get relegated.
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