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[Derek27]

Didn't fully take it in, but I heard there was some confusion as to whether the ref allowed or disallowed the goal, in which case, the VAR refs may have thought they were confirming a goal, rather than confirming the offside.

Yes, they weren't watching the match close enough. Which I thought was their one and only job

Even I recognise the ref's hand singles. They're fairly obvious and they got the benefit of replays.

[Michael5482]

The Diaz VAR controversy has completely overshadowed VAR's incompetence for two of the Aston Villa goals to make it 2-0 & 3-0 to them and effectively killing the game off.

One was a player clearly offside obstructing the keepers view and the other a clear foul in the build up to the goal. Brighton have as much right to be aggrieved as Liverpool.

VAR was the "solution" to dodgy decisions. Now we have dodgy VAR decisions after several years of development of the tech and processes (and I'm not limiting that to the Diaz decision at all). It makes me me really wonder about the integrity of football..

VAR was sold as "Operating under the philosophy of minimal interference, maximum benefit, the VAR system seeks to provide a way for clear and obvious errors and serious missed incidents to be corrected"

Throw the Mike Dean revelation Kai has touched on below and agree you have to question the integrity because with the constant more or less same issues/mistakes week after week it's fast becoming the only thing left to question.

[weemac]

I have a decades-long 'dislike' of one particular PL team. If I was VAR, I'm totally sure my inbuilt bias would come into play, either consciously or subconsciously, and not in their favour! . The VAR people are just people like us with the same flaws and biases, so we need another VAR team to VAR the VAR team who VAR the referee. And so on ad infinitum.

[Derek27]

I have a decades-long 'dislike' of one particular PL team. If I was VAR, I'm totally sure my inbuilt bias would come into play, either consciously or subconsciously, and not in their favour! . The VAR people are just people like us with the same flaws and biases, so we need another VAR team to VAR the VAR team who VAR the referee. And so on ad infinitum.

If you take a job really seriously and put in a lot of work into getting it right, you'd be surprised how easy it is to disregard bias and look at the facts, in the same way that soldiers don't have time for fear in a battle. They're too highly trained and have too much to focus on.

I would happily sit in a jury with Buffoon Boris in the dock without fear of being biased. It wouldn't even make any difference; we'd all know he's guilty of whatever he's charged with.

[Kai]

Close enough : https://twitter.com/Vaibhav33564450/sta ... 2099306692

[Derek27]

Time to stop moaning about VAR decisions, there's a feast of European and domestic football on tonight.

[Kai]

Time to stop moaning about VAR decisions, there's a feast of European and domestic football on tonight.

And it all starts at the same exact time, yay

[weemac]

Braga's 2nd goal was a treat.

[greenmark]

The dialogue on this is pretty staggering. These guys are on 80k. They sound like numpties.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66998252

[Michael5482]

The dialogue on this is pretty staggering. These guys are on 80k. They sound like numpties.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66998252

Yep nothing professional about that at all, you can see why they get it wrong time after time. Not expecting military style comms but a bit of protocol and professionalism wouldn't go a miss. It's bad when an unqualified replay operator questioned the decision as well.

Can't wait to see all the comical edits

[Kai]

The dialogue on this is pretty staggering. These guys are on 80k. They sound like numpties.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66998252

Yep nothing professional about that at all, you can see why they get it wrong time after time. Not expecting military style comms but a bit of protocol and professionalism wouldn't go a miss. It's bad when an unqualified replay operator questioned the decision as well.

Can't wait to see all the comical edits

It's worse than I thought

Howard Webb should have destroyed the evidence whilst he had the chance : https://twitter.com/MattHyland1975/stat ... 7331463172

[weemac]

What a finish for Braga. 3-2 from 2-0 down with almost last kick of the game.

[greenmark]

The dialogue on this is pretty staggering. These guys are on 80k. They sound like numpties.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66998252

Yep nothing professional about that at all, you can see why they get it wrong time after time. Not expecting military style comms but a bit of protocol and professionalism wouldn't go a miss. It's bad when an unqualified replay operator questioned the decision as well.

Can't wait to see all the comical edits

Not been in the services but have friends in catering (kitchens specifically) and the are modelled on the military. You have a process and protocol and you stick to it. It seems PGMOL and VAR don't have that. That transcript describes fluffy chaos in an environment that needs lightning, accurate decisions.
It's very revealing and disappointing. I worked in IT and that kind of confusion was unacceptable 20 years ago.

[Derek27]

FFS, Arsenal match suspended!!

It just went in-play for 100ms and suspended again!

[Michael5482]

FFS, Arsenal match suspended!!

It just went in-play for 100ms and suspended again!

Yep was suspended just before kick-off . You know even when they put it in play it's going to be a chew on with suspensions so I've moved over to Man U game.