Coronavirus - A pale horse,4 men and ....beer

[wearthefoxhat]

We don't know what we don't know.

What will happen when this deadly virus sweeps through slums, shantytowns and favelas.

The reality is, we won't hear the numbers until the western world has actually recovered. Even then, it will be just another brief headline as there will something new for all of us to focus on.

[Derek27]

The reality is, we won't hear the numbers until the western world has actually recovered. Even then, it will be just another brief headline as there will something new for all of us to focus on.

... like trading.

[doiti29]

Coronavirus Origin Theories

Source: https://creazilla.com/nodes/19974-coron ... ter-vector

[Jukebox]

It might lighten the mood a little if instead of having the death toll come in piecemeal through the news channels if we instead had a Eurovision style report beamed live from each country's capital to a glamorous presenter pair that could then be updated on a sparkly leaderboard perhaps with the Lotto voiceover guy filling us in with the position changes etc.....

"Buana sera Holly from Roma and good evening to you all there in London from everybody here in Italia. Here are todays results from the Italian Health Minister......."


".....and that brings Spain down into 4th place with a promising 2% reduction on yesterday's result...."

[wearthefoxhat]

The reality is, we won't hear the numbers until the western world has actually recovered. Even then, it will be just another brief headline as there will something new for all of us to focus on.

... like trading.

I was thinking more, a deep recession/depression for the next 2-3 years followed by a new world trade war....however, re-trading; Belarusian Premier footy & some U.S/AUS fare is keeping things ticking over, for now.

[jamesg46]

https://youtu.be/LBi85WjeDyg

[wearthefoxhat]

This could be the new world travel-norm in the next 4-6 months....

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[Dallas]

This could be the new world travel-norm in the next 4-6 months....


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Once this passes and the recriminations begin I can see the likes of the US certainly and maybe many other Western countries imposing similar measures on anyone entering from or who have visied China within last 14 days - and doing so for quite some time.

And who knows where the trade war between the US and China will go

[Naffman]

This could be the new world travel-norm in the next 4-6 months....


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Once this passes and the recriminations begin I can see the likes of the US certainly and maybe many other Western countries imposing similar measures on anyone entering from or who have visied China within last 14 days - and doing so for quite some time.

And who knows where the trade war between the US and China will go

China deserves a good bollocking for all this, imagine if any western country had try to cover it up for that long and then it results in this!

And am I the only one curious as to why Iran is the only middle eastern country to have got it so bad? Guess China supports any country who opposes the west.

[Kai]

China deserves a good bollocking for all this, imagine if any western country had try to cover it up for that long and then it results in this!

They almost get a free pass at times because everyone is so used to their communist regime.

It's also hard to criticize them publicly when 10 minutes later you may need to ring them up to order a ton of vital medical supplies.

That's far too much bargaining power, for all our sakes I hope the vaccines don't come from China, maybe not from US either. Ideally it comes from Europe, maybe from someone like Dietmar Hopp, one of the rare individuals that has a lot more money than Trump.

[Kafkaesque]

The big question for me is, despite your valid age point, we're yet to see what transpires if the virus sweeps through an area with a poor and dense population. Yeah, age isn't an issue, but will people in an area where social distanceing isn't really an option be able to fight off the virus if they 're suffering from malnutrition of varying degrees? Correct me, if I'm wrong but we don't have evidence on that yet, no?

It's first a potential disater for them, and second I'd be worried whether the virus easily jumping from host to host, who doesn't have an age/underlying condition that causes the virus to kill the person, but rather lingers within people who through malnutrition doesn't quite have the immune system to fight it off as easily as those in richer areas. And whether that would prove a breeding ground for it to mutate into something more sinister. Just fatalistic, layman's wonderings, but ones I haven't seen addressed, much less answered anywhere.

Well, the lingering virus thing does appear to be an issue of sensitivity of the tests, If you force me me i'll try to to find that reference.
But my current view is the medics are brilliant at crushing a crushable infection. But the testing isn't 100% at identifying absence of the virus. So there have been a tiny amount of cases that have been positive, been hospitalised, treated, recovered and tested negative and then tested positive later.
But not with any serious consequences.

I do hope you're correct. I don't see where you get your optimism that those resources, brilliant or not, will be available beyond the extremely limited for the poorest of the poor once the virus sweeps across them.

[Kafkaesque]

China to be blamed for misinformation regarding Covid-19 and become a parah state. Trade deals will be stopped by US, UK and EU. Cant see China putting up with that, which leads me to think WW3 is not that far fetched.

I can give you a stat that made me astonished this week: (maybe it's common sense and I'm the ignorant one here): 97% of all antibiotics in the United States come from China.

There's no way to keep it like that after this pandemic.

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I think China is in for a massive wake up call over this.

One possible outcome could be a huge win for India if the western world wants cheap goods going forward and basically dumps China.

I am not in anyway blaming the Chinese people but their Government has been clearly telling pork pies over this since December 2019.

My question is what would China do if the rest of the world turns its back on them....

I'll play devil's advocate and be the nay-sayer claiming it's a moot point, or question. Unless we use this as a point in time to completely revolusionise how our society is built, and more importantly sustained, it will not happen.

We've said loud and clear too many times through our democratic votes and with more indirect actions, that we simply do not care. Once this blows over, China will continue to offer the best value for money, in medicine and well beyond. They'll be the best bet for a good quarterly result for the people with the real power. And the rest of us are seemingly okay with that.

[Trader Pat]

Doesn't matter how much people wring their hands and think China should be shunned etc etc....

Realpolitik always wins in the end

[Naffman]

I've just read a book on the Yugoslav war and surely with all the money and influence the US used back then to stabilise the region, China gifting Serbia with loads of equipment to a corrupt govt. surely won't go down well with Trump.

[greenmark]

The rate of increase in confirmed cases is falling (3 days 25% 17% 14%), not a cause for celbration but the preferable direction of travel.
And with increasing testing you would have expected more positives. So maybe lockdown is beginning to work.
Sadly the reduction in the increase in the death rate will lag behind by some days it would seem.