The physical toll of all this....

[stueytrader]

In terms of physical toll of trading - should we also consider the physical toll caused by the more mental side of things?

i.e. the natural stress responses in our bodies each day? At my worst (in the past) I've felt so stressed about trading that by evening I've been completely wiped out, but not from any physical exertion. That wasn't right (I know that) due to poor trading approaches, and I've dealt with a lot of that since to improve. However, there's still some elements of stress for all trading days?

[jimibt]

In terms of physical toll of trading - should we also consider the physical toll caused by the more mental side of things?

i.e. the natural stress responses in our bodies each day? At my worst (in the past) I've felt so stressed about trading that by evening I've been completely wiped out, but not from any physical exertion. That wasn't right (I know that) due to poor trading approaches, and I've dealt with a lot of that since to improve. However, there's still some elements of stress for all trading days?

i play mostly IR and can say that there can be days when the best strategy that you posses seems to just keep going against you. at those times, you have to make the choice to pull the plug on the day or to carry on in the knowledge (historical) that things usually even out at some point. however, it's having the conviction to keep throwing your stake in the pool that carries the stress. tho of course, there's nothing nicer than when you see the down blip reverse and bless an all square position

[Euler]

In terms of physical toll of trading - should we also consider the physical toll caused by the more mental side of things?

I find exercise is my release from stress.

[Euler]

Maybe we should start a thread to aid everybody. I've often considered starting a fat traders thread to encourage us to lose weight and lead a healthier lifestyle.

[Abraquay]

And here's me thinking the fat finger was an automation rule.

[ShaunWhite]

There's been a lot of good advice from people....but my comment is simply "Welcome to the world of an office job".

And with regard to motorised desks etc, it's funny how a bunch of adolecent boys can't sit and play their little games without them, when penty of us grown-ups managed well enough to sit at a desk 8 hours a day for longer than they've been alive. Still, a fool and his pocket money...

Sadly, sitting all day hurts your back, shifting bags of cement all day hurts your back, one sudden sneeze hurts your back. Basically backs aren't fit for purpose and your only defence is to try and keep it strong.

If you quite like a walk, get a dog. They make you get out and get some fresh air and exercise....but make sure they allow them in the pub.

[stueytrader]

Maybe we should start a thread to aid everybody. I've often considered starting a fat traders thread to encourage us to lose weight and lead a healthier lifestyle.

lol, like it!

Seriously though, it's probably a good idea.

[stueytrader]

There's been a lot of good advice from people....but my comment is simply "Welcome to the world of an office job".

And with regard to motorised desks etc, it's funny how a bunch of adolecent boys can't sit and play their little games without them, when penty of us grown-ups managed well enough to sit at a desk 8 hours a day for longer than they've been alive. Still, a fool and his pocket money...

Sadly, sitting all day hurts your back, shifting bags of cement all day hurts your back, one sudden sneeze hurts your back. Basically backs aren't fit for purpose and your only defence is to try and keep it strong.

If you quite like a walk, get a dog. They make you get out and get some fresh air and exercise....but make sure they allow them in the pub.

I think the problem is that trading is a very specific type of 'office job', or at least it can become so....hours and hours of intense staring at numbers. Yes, we can get up and move, but the temptation is to simply not do that....
I think most general office workers would not be so obsessively tied to their desks/screen in comparison, they have less reason to be like a trader glued to that screen.

[ShaunWhite]

That's very true but I used to find programming to be the same, i'm not sure I even blinked when I was in the zone.

As for trading, if I don't take 15mins off every 2hrs my results and focus suffer. That mad staring just makes me think there's patterns and opportunities where there's none. Everyone's got their style, but I try and trade 10 markets well, rather than trade 20 poorly and stressed. I'm too old and smoke too much to deal with stress as well

[ShaunWhite]

Maybe we should start a thread to aid everybody. I've often considered starting a fat traders thread to encourage us to lose weight and lead a healthier lifestyle.

lol, like it!

Seriously though, it's probably a good idea.

Now I don't want to become a figure of hate (excuse the pun) but I have the opposite problem, I'm not eating enough. 9.5st and falling... I can't find time to eat properly and I live on energy giving sugary coffee and hunger supressing special roll-ups.... a sort of cross between The Fly, Dot Cotton and Keith Richard. It's not good.

I think a health thread would be good but breath in a bit big boys, find room for a little one

[knome]

I'm too old and smoke too much to deal with stress as well

Ooh! Get on the vape old chap. I was a 40 year smoker but have been 3 years cig-free using the vape. Currently tooting some divine Ginger Rogers (ginger custard flavour vape).

[andyfuller]

Now I don't want to become a figure of hate (excuse the pun) but I have the opposite problem, I'm not eating enough. 9.5st and falling... I can't find time to eat properly and I live on energy giving sugary coffee and hunger supressing special roll-ups

Excuse me being blunt, but you have the time to smoke but not the time to eat healthy and your losing weight. If you haven't been for a check up at your doctors may I suggest you do. Unplanned weight loss is not a good sign at all especially if you are a smoker, weight loss can be a sign of cancer.

As for living on energy giving sugary coffee may I suggest you ditch both as both just give you a short hit but in fact will make you less alert and have less energy long term.

You need a massive overhaul of your health and lifestyle. Eating healthy for some reason people think is time consuming - I can assure you it isn't, just as not going in play is easy. The trouble is your mindset.

For your long term benefit I would suggest you stop wasting time posting on the forum and spend that time improving your lifestyle and eating healthy.

Also don't go to Vape's - dig into the research and you will see why. Just give it all up as otherwise to be blunt you are wasting your time learning to trade - there's a good chance you won't be around long enough to reap any of the benefits.

You have two things in your life that are more important than anything else, your time and your health - you seem to be neglecting both extremely badly and should reassess.

As I say excuse me being blunt but I feel you need to hear it.

[Crazyskier]

Now I don't want to become a figure of hate (excuse the pun) but I have the opposite problem, I'm not eating enough. 9.5st and falling... I can't find time to eat properly and I live on energy giving sugary coffee and hunger supressing special roll-ups

Excuse me being blunt, but you have the time to smoke but not the time to eat healthy and your losing weight. If you haven't been for a check up at your doctors may I suggest you do. Unplanned weight loss is not a good sign at all especially if you are a smoker, weight loss can be a sign of cancer.

As for living on energy giving sugary coffee may I suggest you ditch both as both just give you a short hit but in fact will make you less alert and have less energy long term.

You need a massive overhaul of your health and lifestyle. Eating healthy for some reason people think is time consuming - I can assure you it isn't, just as not going in play is easy. The trouble is your mindset.

For your long term benefit I would suggest you stop wasting time posting on the forum and spend that time improving your lifestyle and eating healthy.

Also don't go to Vape's - dig into the research and you will see why. Just give it all up as otherwise to be blunt you are wasting your time learning to trade - there's a good chance you won't be around long enough to reap any of the benefits.

You have two things in your life that are more important than anything else, your time and your health - you seem to be neglecting both extremely badly and should reassess.

As I say excuse me being blunt but I feel you need to hear it.

Bloody hell, I bet your kids are well-behaved Andy! And yes, I concur with the sentiment.

[Mr Jerry Twig]

Now I don't want to become a figure of hate (excuse the pun) but I have the opposite problem, I'm not eating enough. 9.5st and falling... I can't find time to eat properly and I live on energy giving sugary coffee and hunger supressing special roll-ups

Excuse me being blunt, but you have the time to smoke but not the time to eat healthy and your losing weight. If you haven't been for a check up at your doctors may I suggest you do. Unplanned weight loss is not a good sign at all especially if you are a smoker, weight loss can be a sign of cancer.

As for living on energy giving sugary coffee may I suggest you ditch both as both just give you a short hit but in fact will make you less alert and have less energy long term.

You need a massive overhaul of your health and lifestyle. Eating healthy for some reason people think is time consuming - I can assure you it isn't, just as not going in play is easy. The trouble is your mindset.

For your long term benefit I would suggest you stop wasting time posting on the forum and spend that time improving your lifestyle and eating healthy.

Also don't go to Vape's - dig into the research and you will see why. Just give it all up as otherwise to be blunt you are wasting your time learning to trade - there's a good chance you won't be around long enough to reap any of the benefits.

You have two things in your life that are more important than anything else, your time and your health - you seem to be neglecting both extremely badly and should reassess.

As I say excuse me being blunt but I feel you need to hear it.

Have to say one of the best posts Iv ever read..well done

[andyfuller]

Bloody hell, I bet your kids are well-behaved Andy! And yes, I concur with the sentiment.

No kids for me (at least non that I know about;))

I know it sounds harsh what I wrote but if there is one thing you should make time for is your health. I hate cooking with a passion, I see eating as process to provide energy as opposed to anything enjoyable so spend as little time as possible cooking but that doesn't mean I bung a pizza in the oven - I used to not eat particularly well either but it really isn't that difficult to make changes and you feel a hell of a lot better for it.

Simple things like cutting sugar out of drinks, eating fruit as a snack rather than a packet of crisps, cutting down portion sizes, baking your own bread, just not buying cr@p in the first place is the easiest step - but people love to make excuses for why they can't be it they can't afford to or they don't have time rather than accept some personal responsibility for it - much like with trading people aren't usually willing to accept that the cause of the problems lies within themselves and until you address that you will carry on down the same path be it taking trades inplay or eating rubbish.