Greyhound Mystique

[Kai]

It's just that sometimes people overshare and it ends up hurting their edge so they end up regretting sharing anything in the first place, that's the only reason why we gave you a bit of a warning about it, just in case, sorry if that came across differently. Certainly not discouraging discussion about this topic, like Jim mentioned as well there's even an argument here that you could further strengthen this edge with the feedback from Fox and others.

[wearthefoxhat]

It's just that sometimes people overshare and it ends up hurting their edge so they end up regretting sharing anything in the first place, that's the only reason why we gave you a bit of a warning about it, just in case. Certainly not discouraging discussion about this topic, there's even an argument here that you could further strengthen this edge with the feedback from Fox and others.

All said and done, there are opportunists out there for sure.

You might inadvertently give some juicy info away, before you know it, someone else is hawking it out @ £279 (should be £979) with a £40 annual renewal!

Stop Press: Henlow 12.39 T1 Anias Baby W6/1 (BSP 8.80) (Although not a qualifier according on the OP's rules, the Fav @2/1 was poorly rated)

[Archery1969]

Hi,

If you dont want to stick to the original rules completely then there is another twist you can try.

- Looking at this screenshot you can see that there is only a difference of 0.08 between dog 4 and dog 6. Normlly this race would be avoided. But dog 6 time difference between Best and Last is 0.10 whereas dog 4 time difference between Best and Last is 0.30, not as consistent running wise and therefor dog 6 price should shorten.

Goodluck,

[Archery1969]

Still going well....

[wearthefoxhat]

Still going well....

Well done.

I don't think you have to worry too much about anyone copying your approach, as they won't have the stamina to go through all the racecards like you do in the morning. I enjoyed inputting the data into the spreadsheet and have sort of designed one that will quickly assess the info required, but only looked at Henlow and Perry Barr this morning.

I would say though it's got me interested again in greyhound racing. Back in the day, with pen/paper/calculator, I used to go to either White City or Wembley, take the best 2 of 3 times, average them and factor in the winning time of each of their last race. This helped define the class of the race they're running in and would be able to spot one or two that were ripe for the picking. The Racing Post has that info, Sporting Life doesn't. It also has the weight of the greyhound, which is also an important consideration when looking at the bigger picture.

Mind you, you're assessement method is working fine without all these other factors.

The best result was; (The boxed figure is the 2nd rated + 4 lengths. Any greyhound with a worse time could be a Lay selection) Also note how poor the favourite was in the race too.

Hen11.39.GIF

[Archery1969]

Still going well....

Well done.

I don't think you have to worry too much about anyone copying your approach, as they won't have the stamina to go through all the racecards like you do in the morning. I enjoyed inputting the data into the spreadsheet and have sort of designed one that will quickly assess the info required, but only looked at Henlow and Perry Barr this morning.

I would say though it's got me interested again in greyhound racing. Back in the day, with pen/paper/calculator, I used to go to either White City or Wembley, take the best 2 of 3 times, average them and factor in the winning time of each of their last race. This helped define the class of the race they're running in and would be able to spot one or two that were ripe for the picking. The Racing Post has that info, Sporting Life doesn't. It also has the weight of the greyhound, which is also an important consideration when looking at the bigger picture.

Mind you, you're assessement method is working fine without all these other factors.

The best result was; (The boxed figure is the 2nd rated + 4 lengths. Any greyhound with a worse time could be a Lay selection) Also note how poor the favourite was in the race too.


Hen11.39.GIF

Thats interesting information. I too was a regular at White City years ago.

I am also looking at criteria for lays too. Thing i like about mine is the fact its pretty simple, its just time consuming putting the runners into Guardian. Have a friend who works for RacingPost so i have contacted him to see if there's a legal way i could get all the data i need in a Excel sheet and then i could fully automate it between Excel / Guardian etc. That would be the iceing on the cake.

Evening racing is the best with this as i seem to get matched very quickly.

[wearthefoxhat]

Thats interesting information. I too was a regular at White City years ago.

I am also looking at criteria for lays too. Thing i like about mine is the fact its pretty simple, its just time consuming putting the runners into Guardian. Have a friend who works for RacingPost so i have contacted him to see if there's a legal way i could get all the data i need in a Excel sheet and then i could fully automate it between Excel / Guardian etc. That would be the iceing on the cake.

Evening racing is the best with this as i seem to get matched very quickly.

There's a Racing Post guy called Jim Cremin who was the racing manager @ Wembley stadium. He might know something or other.

The era I remember with White City was when the likes of Dave Kinchett was a trainer. Got a few stories about some of the gambles that went wrong!

[Archery1969]

This race highlights one to be avoided following the original rules as you have 3 dogs very close speed wise.

If you were a straight backer then maybe a reverse trifecta.

Dog 2 went off as clear favourite which is strange has it only has 4th best times.

But the winner came from one of the ones i highlighted in red being Swift Redzer which had the 3rd best time.

Its all interesting stuff.

[wearthefoxhat]

This race highlights one to be avoided following the original rules as you have 3 dogs very close speed wise.

If you were a straight backer then maybe a reverse trifecta.

Dog 2 went off as clear favourite which is strange has it only has 4th best times.

But the winner came from one of the ones i highlighted in red being Swift Redzer which had the 3rd best time.

Its all interesting stuff.

Just for comparison. As you say tight at the top. (first 3 home seperated by a neck and a neck)
The T4 was worse rated and was reflected in the price too.

Nott1103.GIF

[Archery1969]

This race highlights one to be avoided following the original rules as you have 3 dogs very close speed wise.

If you were a straight backer then maybe a reverse trifecta.

Dog 2 went off as clear favourite which is strange has it only has 4th best times.

But the winner came from one of the ones i highlighted in red being Swift Redzer which had the 3rd best time.

Its all interesting stuff.

Just for comparison. As you say tight at the top. (first 3 home seperated by a neck and a neck)
The T4 was worse rated and was reflected in the price too.


Nott1103.GIF

Yep. I am now working on the reverse for a Lay Bot targeting the dog with worse times but still using the 0.10 rule between 5th and 6th rated.

I targeted dog 3 with the new Lay Bot and got on at 7.6. Worked well.

[Archery1969]

This is all low risk good fun....

[wearthefoxhat]

This is all low risk good fun....

Nice results.

Here's my trading effort for the morning cards. (messed up the 11.03, should have been +0.85, corrected it in time though)
Didn't do the afternoon/evening cards. may look later.

Jan14th.GIF

[Archery1969]

This is all low risk good fun....

Nice results.

Here's my trading effort for the morning cards. (messed up the 11.03, should have been +0.85, corrected it in time though)
Didn't do the afternoon/evening cards. may look later.


Jan14th.GIF

Thats looking good.

[Archery1969]

I been quoted £175 for a custom built application to get the data I need from Sporting Life each day with the ability to export to Excel.

Does that seem about right ?

[spreadbetting]

Hard to say without knowing what it involves. Plenty of cheap coders out there and web scraping isn't hard, have you tried sites like www.fiverr.com freelancer etc. If it's winnng you money and saving you time guess it depends on what value you put on your time.