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alexmr2 wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:24 am
Kai wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:15 am
alexmr2 wrote:
Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:01 pm
There's some irony in that the thread about the deadliest virus ever has almost made it to 4000 posts over the last year without anyone dying
Let's hope you don't learn the real meaning of irony if you lose a family member after making 250 posts about how harmless Covid is.

And let's hope nobody gets triggered by such a callous post, I know a couple that just might, and there is no doubt many more.

There's a clear difference between ignorance and stupidity Alex, and youth is a poor excuse for either.
I'm sorry to hear anyone's personal circumstances but unfortunately this is how sentiment and emotion skews opinions.

On the surface it may come across as callous, but only because the Sage SPI-B behavioural psychologist department has programmed everyone to think this way. When emotions are high there should be some logic injected. It's equally if not more callous to ignore the millions who missed cancer diagnoses including kids, diabetes, strokes and many other bigger killers, the significant rise in mental health and suicide amongst younger adults. These measures lead to decline in the elderly suffering from dementia and their immune systems in general, robbing many of their final couple of years to spend time with family. A massively disproportionate number of lives were ruined, all for a respiratory virus which replaced the flu and has an average death age of 83. Personally I rate the lives of millions of kids being destroyed socially, mentally, financially more important than trying to stop the inevitable with those aged over average life expectancy who already lived a good life.

In the UK the NHS was never overwhelmed but decisions were made to cancel and delay treatments which is where most of the excess deaths have came from (people at home). Nightingale Hospitals opened very quickly at the beginning of April 2020 but were never used. Retired doctors and nurses applications were ignored to run these simultaneously with normal hospitals but somehow they decided to allow the bigger killers to continue and refuse treatment to those people.

There is a much bigger agenda here and the saving lives one does not have much logic to it, especially when those in power like Boris and Bill have population control agendas. My view is only to encourage people to look at the bigger picture and statistics which are becoming more obvious all the time instead of blindly following the narrative from an emotive perspective.

Just like when a new trader has loss aversion to losing money, it inadvertedly causes them to lose money. Similarly trying to avoid death, we are inadvertedly losing our lives.


Croatia is another good case study where measures were liberal for the vast majority of 2020, total death rate was within normal parameters and average death age was within 3.65% of average life expectancy.

On 22 March, Zagreb, the capital of Croatia, was hit by the strongest earthquake in 140 years, causing problems in the enforcement of social distancing measures set out by the Croatian government, as the country engaged in a period of lockdown in the later part of the first half of 2020. On 5 July, a parliamentary election was held in the country. In general, the country was mostly reopened during the 2020 summer tourist season.

Croatia Samples processed 1,539,232
Positive samples (total) 17.48%

Croatia - Historical Death Rate Data
Year Death Rate Growth Rate
2021 13.242 0.270%
2020 13.206 0.270%
2019 13.170 0.270%
2018 13.134 1.410%
2017 12.952 1.430%
2016 12.770 1.450%
2015 12.587 1.470%

Average Covid death age 75.3
Croatia/Life expectancy 78.07 years (2018)
After doing "research" that concluded the Suez canal is the quickest route from China to South Africa I don't know how you can expect anyone to take you seriously. :lol:

As I've said before, intelligent people are led by evidence to their conclusion. You and the tinfoil hat people work the other way around - you chose your conclusion and look for evidence to support it, ignoring anything else. People trust the experts because they are cleverer than you and their analysis makes sense. You're a nobody, a crackpot whose mind is unwittingly controlled by Bill Gates, nobody's going to listen to you.

Do you seriously think anyone on this forum is going to be persuaded by your arguments? There are some highly intelligent and mathematically minded people on here so you're really on the wrong forum to spread your tinfoil hat theories.
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alexmr2 wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:09 pm
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I doubt if this is the only forum you frequent so you're probably a full time troll who spends his days and nights on numerous forums. If that's the case you really should get a life or get laid every now and then.
That would be advocating spreading the virus.

You can work out your strike rate for each market with this simple chart. Some people just need to put emotions aside and trust the stats if they want to see the truth, but most don't seem to want to see it

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There's a crucial missing piece of information in that table. Can you figure it out? I'd suggest you learn a bit about statistics, and perhaps geography as well. :lol:
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Derek27 wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:21 pm
There are some highly intelligent and mathematically minded people on here so you're really on the wrong forum to spread your tinfoil hat theories.
Perhaps the most intelligent forumites are the ones that ignore him. :lol:
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Derek27 wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:57 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:21 pm
There are some highly intelligent and mathematically minded people on here so you're really on the wrong forum to spread your tinfoil hat theories.
Perhaps the most intelligent forumites are the ones that ignore him. :lol:
Maybe they agree with me but don't post anything because they don't have the compassion to save everyone like I do

And the more traders they can get vaccinated and mining cobalt for Bill Gates, the more edge they will have in the market
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alexmr2 wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:12 pm
Maybe they agree with me but don't post anything because they don't have the compassion to save everyone like I do
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm not even sure what's funnier, intelligent people agreeing with you or you having compassion. :lol:

I'll forever imagine you now in a superhero outfit with a large capital A. :lol:
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Time to pull the thread to a close again I guess.

My wife was vaccinated early on. Why, because she works with terminal ill children and was had a high risk of exposure. She has been lucky and avoided any infection but unfortunately the same was not true of some of her colleagues.

The wonderful juxtaposition of the virus is if measure are successful people can claim it never was an issue. But it is and if you don't believe just do some really useful public service and work at the front line of it without any protection and report back. You prove your own theory but help at the same time.

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I've been lucky none of my family or friends have had any exposure.

From day one though I've preferred to take advice from those on the frontline who are dealing with it every day rather than clowns online or in the media who have an agenda to push.
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Euler wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:38 pm
Time to pull the thread to a close again I guess.

My wife was vaccinated early on. Why, because she works with terminal ill children and was had a high risk of exposure. She has been lucky and avoided any infection but unfortunately the same was not true of some of her colleagues.

The wonderful juxtaposition of the virus is if measure are successful people can claim it never was an issue. But it is and if you don't believe just do some really useful public service and work at the front line of it without any protection and report back. You prove your own theory but help at the same time.

Action from a distance, is no action at all.
I'm conflicted about shutting the thread down. Your post about your personal experience and other recent ones from respected forumites demonstrate the value of this thread. A lone voice banging out nonsense eventually provokes a response from sensible, intelligent people. We all have the option to add people to our foe list. Which I've just done.
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alexmr2 wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:24 am
I'm sorry to hear anyone's personal circumstances but unfortunately this is how sentiment and emotion skews opinions.
Your own opinion was skewed early on when you went through Covid like it was a common cold, after which you started wondering why it's such a big deal for everyone else. I'm afraid it's as shallow as that. That's the real source of this confirmation bias that you've been feeding whether you care to admit it or not.

But it's one thing to have an opinion about something, and another to actively try to impose that opinion on others because you think that being a Covid veteran gives you that sort of credibility. Absolute nonsense, from top to bottom.

Seeing as you like stats you should pay more attention to your own : 41.95% of your forum posts are in this thread imposing your agenda saying how nobody died yet, in a thread started by a member that is actively dealing with chemotherapy. When I said it was callous I was being nice about it.

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Kai wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:48 pm
Seeing as you like stats you should pay more attention to your own : 41.95% of your forum posts are in this thread imposing your agenda saying how nobody died yet, in a thread started by a member that is actively dealing with chemotherapy. When I said it was callous I was being nice about it.
It's irrelevant who started the thread, as is his health. It's also none of your business on which thread Alex posts - he's entitled to his opinion.
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Kai wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:48 pm
alexmr2 wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:24 am
I'm sorry to hear anyone's personal circumstances but unfortunately this is how sentiment and emotion skews opinions.
Your own opinion was skewed early on when you went through Covid like it was a common cold, after which you started wondering why it's such a big deal for everyone else. I'm afraid it's as shallow as that. That's the real source of this confirmation bias that you've been feeding whether you care to admit it or not.

But it's one thing to have an opinion about something, and another to actively try to impose that opinion on others because you think that being a Covid veteran gives you that sort of credibility. Absolute nonsense, from top to bottom.

Seeing as you like stats you should pay more attention to your own : 41.95% of your forum posts are in this thread imposing your agenda saying how nobody died yet, in a thread started by a member that is actively dealing with chemotherapy. When I said it was callous I was being nice about it.
I know a few other people who had the virus (elderly and survived), but honestly sentiment carries a lower weight on my opinion than the facts like survival rate 99%+ across the world regardless of which restrictions were in place. 60,000 experts signed a petition against lockdown called The Great Barring Declaration and many have spoken out by now. I don't see why all the experts and data is being ignored but the profit-orientated corporate scientists are being forced upon us.

Why is it so frowned upon to question the narrative which has so many holes? Questioning the forced experimental injections on kids, passes to discriminate against the healthy, the cancelled treatments, the psychological divide and conquer techniques in general? If you look deep enough you will see it may well be those that support the government's agenda that are the true selfish ones. Personally I have benefited from lockdown in more than a couple of ways but it becomes frustrating to see everyone so blindly follow the sinister path being laid out for us, our kids and grandkids.

Again I'm sorry if I offended anyone but I like to think that some people here can look at both sides/have a sensible debate instead of everyone having the same opinion which would be a boring world
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superfrank wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:05 pm
Kai wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:48 pm
Seeing as you like stats you should pay more attention to your own : 41.95% of your forum posts are in this thread imposing your agenda saying how nobody died yet, in a thread started by a member that is actively dealing with chemotherapy. When I said it was callous I was being nice about it.
It's irrelevant who started the thread, as is his health. It's also none of your business on which thread Alex posts - he's entitled to his opinion.
Thats an appalling post. Betangel please shut this down.
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What?! I said it's irrelevant (to the content of the thread). Get a grip.
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I think its best we give it some time out.

I was in the process of typing up a reply to a few earlier posts but decided to just cut it short, with the gist of it being its understandable people having different views on and range of things like lockdown restrictions, what action should have been taken and when and if vaccine passports should be required etc

But this this is a trading forum and although there's 100s of other non trading topics being discussed we don't want the forum used as a place to push wild unsubstantiated conspiracy theories and denial agenda's.
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