Betfair Just suspended my account for winning ?

[Barneyboy33]

Hello..

I started using the over 2.5 strategy on soccer over the weekend.

I had my first profitable session in ages, winnning over £2.5k

Now the safer gambling team at betfair have suspended my account pending an affordability review..

No one ever contacted me when I lost a few ££..

[Crazyskier]

Hello..

I started using the over 2.5 strategy on soccer over the weekend.

I had my first profitable session in ages, winnning over £2.5k

Now the safer gambling team at betfair have suspended my account pending an affordability review..

No one ever contacted me when I lost a few ££..

It could be pure coincidence on the timing, though they shouldn't need to suspend an account to do the affordability review, surely? Did you perhaps deposit more than usual? The deposit is what triggers the algorithm I believe, rather than any subsequent win or loss.

See my recent post here-> viewtopic.php?f=15&t=26024 re my restrictions by BF.

CS

[megarain]

Never mind .. just think of the extra mileage you can get on eBay ..

System is so good .. Betfair closed my account.

[ShaunWhite]

No one ever contacted me when I lost a few ££..

Betfair don't lose, they're just a broker.

I can only go on what they've told me (and jamesedwards was also there at the time to validate it) but affordability checks kick in when you show a significant change in your betting patterns (unspecified). Excessive depositing/withdrawing does too as it gives the impression you need to keep your money on the move. Consistent winners who don't deposit won't require checks.

Their hand is being forced to do these checks, they obviously don't want to loose customers so if everything is straightforward you'll be back on soon.

[jamesedwards]

...and jamesedwards was also there at the time to validate it...

It's true. I was there!

The main takeout for me was never deposit under any circumstances.

[Barneyboy33]

Now I have been given an ultimatum...lol

I speak to them in Graphic detail regarding health issues

or

I speak to them in graphic Detail about my finances


This could get interesting !


I'm 60 yrs old.

my first ever bet was a horse called Gay Trip, the 1970 Grand National Winner
I never backed the winner of the national after that until Numbersixvalverde came through in 2005 or 2006.

I've never gotten into any financial difficulties due to Gambling
I've never been in any Debt due to Gambling
I've never ever Gambled with money I couldn't afford to lose.
I've an excellent credit score.

But still I get to go through a quizzing on my affordability to gamble from someone probably 40 yrs my Junior.

[Derek27]

Now I have been given an ultimatum...lol

I speak to them in Graphic detail regarding health issues

or

I speak to them in graphic Detail about my finances

How do health issues come into it, or what's it got to do with Betfair?

[ShaunWhite]

I've never gotten into any financial difficulties due to Gambling
I've never been in any Debt due to Gambling
I've never ever Gambled with money I couldn't afford to lose.

Tbf there's no way for them to know that. I'm a similar age to you and although the checks seem intrusive and frankly a pain in the arse, the upside of it being 2022 is not having to haré up and down the High St at 9am getting your bets on. and if I'd been told you could make a living while you're doing the garden or on holiday then it would have sounded like science fiction. Glass half full BarneyBoy33? It'll get sorted.

[BFDon]

What's the over 2.5 strategy on soccer? Betfair probably done you a favour

[JCB]

But still I get to go through a quizzing on my affordability to gamble from someone probably 40 yrs my Junior.

I'm sure you're a perfectly nice guy but this comment has serious 'get off my lawn vibes'. I'm not UK based so I don't know the ins and outs of any affordability checks but my understanding is that there may now be statutory provisions in place so by law Betfair (and bookmakers of course) are required to impose rigorous screening processes in relation to possible problem gambling. Failing to do so may well incur civil penalties and open themselves up to lawsuits from problem gamblers who have incurred losses that they believe wouldn't have occurred had BF (or others) been following the appropriate guidelines or laws.

The other issue is over 2.5 market bets. Betfair are aware that there an absolute boatload of o2.5 'systems' being spruiked on Facebook and elsewhere. It may well be the case that people new to this market and/or who are placing disproportionately large bets by comparison to their previous action, may be getting flagged.

I of course don't know your level of expertise and feel free to ignore this unsolicited advice but if you have stumbled across one of these advertised systems, whether paid or free, be aware that there is no inherent value in simply backing o2.5. Even if you think 3+ goals will be scored and have no intention of closing your position after the first goal, as most of these systems would have you do, the market has been priced accordingly. Being able to trade out after the first goal doesn't magically apply value to your trade, in fact you'll likely be taking unders by offering the high side of the spread. Yes, you'll have frequent small wins but you'll commonly get 0-0 scorelines and 1st goals scored after the 60th minute where you'll have to close at a loss anyway. These are not viable strategies.

Best of luck in your BF endeavours either way

What's the over 2.5 strategy on soccer? Betfair probably done you a favour

There are a zillion Facebook pages dedicated to this strategy, the theory behind most of them is back the overs and then green up when (if?) the first goal is scored, as if the magical EV fairy visits this specific bet type.

[Barneyboy33]

Strange phone call lest evening.. totally strange..

Agent: are you comfortable with your bet amounts ?

Me: Yeah..

Agent: can you tell me how you finance your Gambling ?

Me: NO... Don't ask questions that I wouldn't answer to my Wife..
I told you I'm comfortable and can afford what I wager
which in the scheme things and the average wager on
site, isn't that much.

Agent: How about an estimate of your income before any betting ??

Me: I can give you an estimate, it's approx ........ Per year

Agent: Ok, Mr .......... I'm happy to unsuspend your account...
enjoy your playing on betfair etc, etc.....


Health questions had suddenly evaporated !!

But at least it's sorted.


Good Luck guys

[Derek27]

Strange phone call lest evening.. totally strange..

Agent: are you comfortable with your bet amounts ?

Me: Yeah..

Agent: can you tell me how you finance your Gambling ?

Me: NO... Don't ask questions that I wouldn't answer to my Wife..
I told you I'm comfortable and can afford what I wager
which in the scheme things and the average wager on
site, isn't that much.

Agent: How about an estimate of your income before any betting ??

Me: I can give you an estimate, it's approx ........ Per year

Agent: Ok, Mr .......... I'm happy to unsuspend your account...
enjoy your playing on betfair etc, etc.....


Health questions had suddenly evaporated !!

But at least it's sorted.


Good Luck guys

Thanks for updating us and I'm pleased you got your account opened again. Interesting that they don't ask for any proof and take your word for it. It seems if anything, they're just going through the motions of what the GC require them to do.

[Barneyboy33]

But still I get to go through a quizzing on my affordability to gamble from someone probably 40 yrs my Junior.

I'm sure you're a perfectly nice guy but this comment has serious 'get off my lawn vibes'. I'm not UK based so I don't know the ins and outs of any affordability checks but my understanding is that there may now be statutory provisions in place so by law Betfair (and bookmakers of course) are required to impose rigorous screening processes in relation to possible problem gambling. Failing to do so may well incur civil penalties and open themselves up to lawsuits from problem gamblers who have incurred losses that they believe wouldn't have occurred had BF (or others) been following the appropriate guidelines or laws.

The other issue is over 2.5 market bets. Betfair are aware that there an absolute boatload of o2.5 'systems' being spruiked on Facebook and elsewhere. It may well be the case that people new to this market and/or who are placing disproportionately large bets by comparison to their previous action, may be getting flagged.

I of course don't know your level of expertise and feel free to ignore this unsolicited advice but if you have stumbled across one of these advertised systems, whether paid or free, be aware that there is no inherent value in simply backing o2.5. Even if you think 3+ goals will be scored and have no intention of closing your position after the first goal, as most of these systems would have you do, the market has been priced accordingly. Being able to trade out after the first goal doesn't magically apply value to your trade, in fact you'll likely be taking unders by offering the high side of the spread. Yes, you'll have frequent small wins but you'll commonly get 0-0 scorelines and 1st goals scored after the 60th minute where you'll have to close at a loss anyway. These are not viable strategies.

Best of luck in your BF endeavours either way

Your advice is both noted and appreciated..

I may have inadvertently misled you on the over 2.5 market. Obviously meant to refer to the over/under 2.5 market.
and the strategy I was following was from one from the Bet Angel's videos. These appear to be working for me, whether
I might also be gettiing lucky with match selections, could also be a factor.

I didn't post to advertise any strategies or gloat about winning a few quid, apologies if that's how I came across.

I'm 60 yrs old, been gambling for over 50 years and got offended by the point that someone was passing judgement in
respect of my gambling habits..

anyway... All sorted Now

Thank you everyone for your comments

Good Luck

[ShaunWhite]

anyway... All sorted now.

Excellent, do you mind me asking what they wanted to know or what evidence they wanted?

Perhaps the threat of checks would be less worrying if people knew what they were and were just ready to go.

[jamesedwards]

Very interesting that they asked you specifically for "income before any betting".

This is my fear, that they won't or can't take gambling winnings into account when assessing affordability.