Is Bet Angel Too Complex for Its Own Good?

[lotora]

Hey everyone,

First off, I want to acknowledge that Bet Angel is an incredibly sophisticated piece of software. It’s packed with features, and the level of customization and automation it offers is second to none. Honestly, it’s a dream tool for anyone serious about trading on Betfair.

That said, I can’t help but feel that its complexity can be overwhelming, especially for new users. The sheer depth of functionality often comes at the expense of user-friendliness.

I completely understand that advanced tools naturally come with a learning curve, but I believe there’s real potential for improvement in making the software more intuitive and accessible. This wouldn’t just help beginners get started—it could also make things easier and more efficient for seasoned users.

When looking at comments from a few years ago, it seems like the vast majority come from accounts that are now inactive. While I can’t be certain, I would guess that close to 90% of those users may have stopped their Bet Angel subscription since then.

It’s impossible to know the exact percentage of Bet Angel subscribers who might have stayed active with a more intuitive and user-friendly interface. However, I do believe the majority of subscribers would likely have become inactive within a few years anyway, simply because many would struggle to be profitable. That said, moving forward, I think a more intuitive design could help retain a meaningful portion of users—those who are willing to put in the effort but currently struggle to navigate the software.

One way to achieve this is by adding more conditions, rather than relying on sophisticated workarounds to make existing conditions fit specific needs.

These two posts illustrate my point well:
[viewtopic.php?t=27627](viewtopic.php?t=27627)
[viewtopic.php?t=28263](viewtopic.php?t=28263)

Anyway, a huge upside to having such a highly sophisticated but not particularly intuitive software is that the team behind Bet Angel could now focus on achieving a better balance. This is a fantastic opportunity to build on the existing foundation while making the tool more accessible to everyone.

I’d love to hear your thoughts!

[Fugazi]

I agree. Could load it with a plethora of extra conditions, could hide them under an advanced tab if too cluttered. I was so close to giving up. I was literally about to quit and then by sheer luck became profitable at my last attempt.

No matter how many conditions, people will always want more. But yeah loading with a stack load of conditions, even if just iterations would be more user friendly.

That said, I'm profitable from following one of Dallas's pre made bots and tweaking. Didnt use any complex signals / settings beyond what is provided. But I may be the exception I know the biggest earners are running a lot of data through TPD and such. Im a small fish.

[sionascaig]

Is it not called Bet Angel "Pro" for a reason?

Personally never had a particular problem that hasn't been addressed in the User Guide, BA Academy, Tutorials or the forum.

(and the wonderful examples that Dallas (and others) have provided)

[Alpha322]

Hey everyone,

First off, I want to acknowledge that Bet Angel is an incredibly sophisticated piece of software. It’s packed with features, and the level of customization and automation it offers is second to none. Honestly, it’s a dream tool for anyone serious about trading on Betfair.

That said, I can’t help but feel that its complexity can be overwhelming, especially for new users. The sheer depth of functionality often comes at the expense of user-friendliness.

I completely understand that advanced tools naturally come with a learning curve, but I believe there’s real potential for improvement in making the software more intuitive and accessible. This wouldn’t just help beginners get started—it could also make things easier and more efficient for seasoned users.

When looking at comments from a few years ago, it seems like the vast majority come from accounts that are now inactive. While I can’t be certain, I would guess that close to 90% of those users may have stopped their Bet Angel subscription since then.

It’s impossible to know the exact percentage of Bet Angel subscribers who might have stayed active with a more intuitive and user-friendly interface. However, I do believe the majority of subscribers would likely have become inactive within a few years anyway, simply because many would struggle to be profitable. That said, moving forward, I think a more intuitive design could help retain a meaningful portion of users—those who are willing to put in the effort but currently struggle to navigate the software.

One way to achieve this is by adding more conditions, rather than relying on sophisticated workarounds to make existing conditions fit specific needs.

These two posts illustrate my point well:
[viewtopic.php?t=27627](viewtopic.php?t=27627)
[viewtopic.php?t=28263](viewtopic.php?t=28263)

Anyway, a huge upside to having such a highly sophisticated but not particularly intuitive software is that the team behind Bet Angel could now focus on achieving a better balance. This is a fantastic opportunity to build on the existing foundation while making the tool more accessible to everyone.

I’d love to hear your thoughts!

Wow what's brought this on, are you a beginner? B/A i in know way find it overwhelming, its a master piece of work. if you are new Trader using it, one shouldn't expect to use the advance features, one should base their trading on basic open and close at random and learn to read charts. Ive been using B/A since 2009 and have grown with the upgrade of the software the only thing i was barking for was a Bank on practice mode but now i see the real bank doing its thing so one doesnt need the practice one anymore but all in all i rate it over the other popular two that is out there on the market, well done Peter and your team absolutely blessed to of found you and do that course a very long time ago in Hockley

[Alpha322]

I agree. Could load it with a plethora of extra conditions, could hide them under an advanced tab if too cluttered. I was so close to giving up. I was literally about to quit and then by sheer luck became profitable at my last attempt.

No matter how many conditions, people will always want more. But yeah loading with a stack load of conditions, even if just iterations would be more user friendly.

That said, I'm profitable from following one of Dallas's pre made bots and tweaking. Didnt use any complex signals / settings beyond what is provided. But I may be the exception I know the biggest earners are running a lot of data through TPD and such. Im a small fish.

We all were small fish everything starts from somewhere

[lotora]

I agree. Could load it with a plethora of extra conditions, could hide them under an advanced tab if too cluttered.

Great idea

[Anbell]

The poor betangel dev team have always been told:
1. It's too complicated. Can you please simplify it so that newbies can navigate it better?
2. And can you also please add these 7 things that are really important to me? I can't believe the rest of you can survive without these features.

[Fugazi]

The poor betangel dev team have always been told:
1. It's too complicated. Can you please simplify it so that newbies can navigate it better?
2. And can you also please add these 7 things that are really important to me? I can't believe the rest of you can survive without these features.

Ultimately, we want to click a few buttons and be profitable

[Dabbla]

One way to achieve this is by adding more conditions, rather than relying on sophisticated workarounds to make existing conditions fit specific needs.

These two posts illustrate my point well:
[viewtopic.php?t=27627](viewtopic.php?t=27627)
[viewtopic.php?t=28263](viewtopic.php?t=28263)

Anyway, a huge upside to having such a highly sophisticated but not particularly intuitive software is that the team behind Bet Angel could now focus on achieving a better balance. This is a fantastic opportunity to build on the existing foundation while making the tool more accessible to everyone.

I’d love to hear your thoughts!

The solution to the issue in the related posts wasn’t a sophisticated work around, it’s a legit condition. Having a look through my files, everything pretty much is done with stored value conditions, with the odd exception.

The unmatched bets condition is an original condition from when BA first introduced automation.

The (unmatched bet information) via the stored value condition is an updated version of the (unmatched bets condition).

The solution isn’t more conditions but looking in the right place. I think that’s more the issue.
The stored value conditions are very hidden and often get overlooked. The manual could probably do better job at pointing you in the right direction.
e.g. Under Unmatched bets ? Have a line saying, you may also find this updated version of the condition useful. stored value condition > unmatched bet information.

The other issue Is, because it’s a stored value condition, most people get put off thinking that they need to store a value first.

[Euler]

Our focus has always been to provide the tools and key components necessary for users to create sophisticated and tailored automation strategies. We wants users to maintain control over their processes while offering the flexibility to customise these strategies to suit their unique edge.

We understand the desire for simplicity, but as we've seen with other trading tools and platforms, remaining static can lead to stagnation. The betting and trading landscape is ever-evolving, and strategies that fail to adapt risk becoming obsolete. That’s why we strive to strike a balance between introducing new features and maintaining accessibility.

Our goal is to ensure these additions enhance your ability to stay ahead without making the process overly complex or inaccessible. We’re always listening to feedback to ensure we continue to deliver tools that let you build, innovate, and refine your strategies to keep up with the changing dynamics of the markets.

Always open to specific suggestions or ideas for how we can better support this balance!

[gazuty]

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That said, I can’t help but feel that its complexity can be overwhelming, especially for new users. The sheer depth of functionality often comes at the expense of user-friendliness.

I completely understand that advanced tools naturally come with a learning curve, but I believe there’s real potential for improvement in making the software more intuitive and accessible. This wouldn’t just help beginners get started—it could also make things easier and more efficient for seasoned users.

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I’d love to hear your thoughts!

Disagree.

Peter and the team have made many videos and the user guide is straightforward.

It’s many times easier than attempting to access the api via some of the other methods, which require programming skills.

[Fugazi]

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That said, I can’t help but feel that its complexity can be overwhelming, especially for new users. The sheer depth of functionality often comes at the expense of user-friendliness.

I completely understand that advanced tools naturally come with a learning curve, but I believe there’s real potential for improvement in making the software more intuitive and accessible. This wouldn’t just help beginners get started—it could also make things easier and more efficient for seasoned users.

…

I’d love to hear your thoughts!

Disagree.

Peter and the team have made many videos and the user guide is straightforward.

It’s many times easier than attempting to access the api via some of the other methods, which require programming skills.

Thought about this thread a lot. And done some self reflection.

You are bang on. Follow the videos and read the manual and its not hard at all.

What OP is really getting at is that it required a lot of effort to MAYBE be profitable.

OP wants it to be super easy to MAYBE profit. That way OP hasn't invested lots of time for nothing. Unfortunately, the biggest gamble of all is that you invest a lot of time and don't succeed.

Ultimately, you have to see this as a fun side hobby. If you find it dull but continue on in the hope of profit, you'll only find misery.

[lotora]

My intention with this post was primarily to make life easier for Bet Angel newcomers. However, based on the feedback, it seems my suggestions might not be the best way forward, and I’m completely fine with that. Ultimately, it’s about what brings the most benefit to Bet Angel subscribers.

[ilovepizza82]

As long as you are PHD quantum physics genius you should be fine with bet angel.

[MrJoeBlack]

Hey everyone,

First off, I want to acknowledge that Bet Angel is an incredibly sophisticated piece of software. It’s packed with features, and the level of customization and automation it offers is second to none. Honestly, it’s a dream tool for anyone serious about trading on Betfair.

That said, I can’t help but feel that its complexity can be overwhelming, especially for new users. The sheer depth of functionality often comes at the expense of user-friendliness.

I completely understand that advanced tools naturally come with a learning curve, but I believe there’s real potential for improvement in making the software more intuitive and accessible. This wouldn’t just help beginners get started—it could also make things easier and more efficient for seasoned users.

When looking at comments from a few years ago, it seems like the vast majority come from accounts that are now inactive. While I can’t be certain, I would guess that close to 90% of those users may have stopped their Bet Angel subscription since then.

It’s impossible to know the exact percentage of Bet Angel subscribers who might have stayed active with a more intuitive and user-friendly interface. However, I do believe the majority of subscribers would likely have become inactive within a few years anyway, simply because many would struggle to be profitable. That said, moving forward, I think a more intuitive design could help retain a meaningful portion of users—those who are willing to put in the effort but currently struggle to navigate the software.

One way to achieve this is by adding more conditions, rather than relying on sophisticated workarounds to make existing conditions fit specific needs.

These two posts illustrate my point well:
[viewtopic.php?t=27627](viewtopic.php?t=27627)
[viewtopic.php?t=28263](viewtopic.php?t=28263)

Anyway, a huge upside to having such a highly sophisticated but not particularly intuitive software is that the team behind Bet Angel could now focus on achieving a better balance. This is a fantastic opportunity to build on the existing foundation while making the tool more accessible to everyone.

I’d love to hear your thoughts!

No.