'Money available to lay at a price' anomaly

[jamesedwards]

I'm trying to return the volume available at a price when the volume at that price is between 1p-99p. But it seems that Bet Angel always returns a null value if that volume is between 1p-99p.

I've tried triggering if the volume at a price is greater than 0. I've also tried if the volume does not equal 0, but neither work. It returns volumes over £1 just fine.

Any ideas how to achieve this?

[ShaunWhite]

I expect that was tricky to find, and even trickier to test.

Maybe its an integer issue, could you *100 ?
Do volumes over £1 show the pennies?

[jamesedwards]

I expect that was tricky to find, and even trickier to test.

Maybe its an integer issue, could you *100 ?
Do volumes over £1 show the pennies?

I'm not using is as an output, I'm using it as a condition.

It's easy to test. Stick up my own back request @ £1 at a price where there is no existing volume, and my automation picks it up. Adjust my offer down to <=99p and it disappears. It also disappears from the BA ladder.

Yes volumes >£1 show the pennies.

The whole thing is acting as if BA ignores any volume at a particular price when that volume is below a pound.

[ShaunWhite]

I expect that was tricky to find, and even trickier to test.

Maybe its an integer issue, could you *100 ?
Do volumes over £1 show the pennies?

I'm not using is as an output, I'm using it as a condition.

It's easy to test. Stick up my own back request @ £1 at a price where there is no existing volume, and my automation picks it up. Adjust my offer down to <=99p and it disappears. It also disappears from the BA ladder.

Yes volumes >£1 show the pennies.

The whole thing is acting as if BA ignores any volume at a particular price when that volume is below a pound.

Agree about the ladder lower limit, tested a bot that tries to be best available and offers sit in fresh air, presumably just above an invisible unmatched <£1 but I've never tried to use it in Guardian. I get why the display might suppress <£1 but internally the numbers should be as is/are.

Is a sub £1 recognised as being the best price if it is? or are they missing completely?

[jamesedwards]

Is a sub £1 recognised as being the best price if it is? or are they missing completely?

BA ignores a sub-£1 best price completely, unless it is the only available price. If the sub-£1 price is the only price available then it will show up. Quite bizarre.

[ForFolksSake]

Is a sub £1 recognised as being the best price if it is? or are they missing completely?

BA ignores a sub-£1 best price completely, unless it is the only available price. If the sub-£1 price is the only price available then it will show up. Quite bizarre.

I thought £1 bets were the minimum stake unless you are staking by liability in which case the min is 0.01

[ShaunWhite]

I thought £1 bets were the minimum stake unless you are staking by liability in which case the min is 0.01

There could have been a partial match that leaves pennies unmatched at a price.

Min stakes are £1 or a counterparty liability of £10, whichever is smaller. Eg once you get over 11 backing then you can go sub £1 if the person matching it has a £10+ payout. Eg 10p at 100 or 2p at 500.

That's the official min but you can place an order and adjust the stake afterwards to get sub min bets in as BA does. Eg when hedging small amounts. It just takes twice as long to process, and if that's in-running you're then looking at 2s not the std 1s delay.

[ForFolksSake]

I thought £1 bets were the minimum stake unless you are staking by liability in which case the min is 0.01

There could have been a partial match that leaves pennies unmatched at a price.

Min stakes are £1 or a counterparty liability of £10, whichever is smaller. Eg once you get over 11 backing then you can go sub £1 if the person matching it has a £10+ payout. Eg 10p at 100 or 2p at 500.

That's the official min but you can place an order and adjust the stake afterwards to get sub min bets in as BA does. Eg when hedging small amounts. It just takes twice as long to process, and if that's in-running you're then looking at 2s not the std 1s delay.

If you cant get a single bet of less than £1 matched then you are not going to be able to return the volume of a single bet of less than £1 - it's 'junk'

[ForFolksSake]

I thought £1 bets were the minimum stake unless you are staking by liability in which case the min is 0.01

There could have been a partial match that leaves pennies unmatched at a price.

Min stakes are £1 or a counterparty liability of £10, whichever is smaller. Eg once you get over 11 backing then you can go sub £1 if the person matching it has a £10+ payout. Eg 10p at 100 or 2p at 500.

That's the official min but you can place an order and adjust the stake afterwards to get sub min bets in as BA does. Eg when hedging small amounts. It just takes twice as long to process, and if that's in-running you're then looking at 2s not the std 1s delay.

If you cant get a single bet of less than £1 matched then you are not going to be able to return the volume of a single bet of less than £1 - it's 'junk'

[jamesedwards]

I thought £1 bets were the minimum stake unless you are staking by liability in which case the min is 0.01

There could have been a partial match that leaves pennies unmatched at a price.

Min stakes are £1 or a counterparty liability of £10, whichever is smaller. Eg once you get over 11 backing then you can go sub £1 if the person matching it has a £10+ payout. Eg 10p at 100 or 2p at 500.

That's the official min but you can place an order and adjust the stake afterwards to get sub min bets in as BA does. Eg when hedging small amounts. It just takes twice as long to process, and if that's in-running you're then looking at 2s not the std 1s delay.

If you cant get a single bet of less than £1 matched then you are not going to be able to return the volume of a single bet of less than £1 - it's 'junk'

You can match it just fine. You just can't see it in BA while it is unmatched.

[ForFolksSake]

There could have been a partial match that leaves pennies unmatched at a price.

Min stakes are £1 or a counterparty liability of £10, whichever is smaller. Eg once you get over 11 backing then you can go sub £1 if the person matching it has a £10+ payout. Eg 10p at 100 or 2p at 500.

That's the official min but you can place an order and adjust the stake afterwards to get sub min bets in as BA does. Eg when hedging small amounts. It just takes twice as long to process, and if that's in-running you're then looking at 2s not the std 1s delay.

If you cant get a single bet of less than £1 matched then you are not going to be able to return the volume of a single bet of less than £1 - it's 'junk'

You can match it just fine. You just can't see it in BA while it is unmatched.

Ok I've just got two 99p bets matched 7 secs apart - I always thought £1 was min stake.
So does that mean there is no min stake ?

I'm not sure what you mean when you say you cant see it in BA while it is unmatched. ?

I've included a screenshot of an unmatched 99p bet

[jamesedwards]

If you cant get a single bet of less than £1 matched then you are not going to be able to return the volume of a single bet of less than £1 - it's 'junk'

You can match it just fine. You just can't see it in BA while it is unmatched.

Ok I've just got two 99p bets matched - I always thought £1 was min stake.
So does that mean there is no min stake ?

I'm not sure what you mean when you say you cant see it in BA while it is unmatched. ?

I've included a screenshot of an unmatched 99p bet

Are you sure it's not a bot following you down?

It doesn't show for me, on either side.

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[ShaunWhite]

Ok I've just got two 99p bets matched 7 secs apart - I always thought £1 was min stake.
So does that mean there is no min stake ?

That's the official min but you can place an order and adjust the stake afterwards to get sub min bets in, as BA does.

[ForFolksSake]

You can match it just fine. You just can't see it in BA while it is unmatched.

Ok I've just got two 99p bets matched - I always thought £1 was min stake.
So does that mean there is no min stake ?

I'm not sure what you mean when you say you cant see it in BA while it is unmatched. ?

I've included a screenshot of an unmatched 99p bet

Are you sure it's not a bot following you down?

It doesn't show for me, on either side.

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z109.JPG

[ShaunWhite]

I'm not sure what you mean when you say you cant see it in BA while it is unmatched. ?

I've included a screenshot of an unmatched 99p bet

But can other people see it? Your 99p availabe to match isn't showing in the blue and pink cells. That 99p that's showing is BAs memory of your unmatched bet, not something brought in by the price feed, which are the numbers displayed in the blue/pink. If you placed a 99p offer, it's us that won't see it, not you.