Trading is impossible now

[Ica73]

sandbaggers are flat race's on artifical surface's.

invariably low grade (not always), and hence attract less volume such as the winter evening cards at wolves, southwell, lingfield, kempton, newcastle and dundalk

have you not considered trying different methods that may prove to be better/more profitable than attempting scalps all the time especially on the above courses?

I am not able wait for gain 5/10 ticks...

[3virgul14]

Ica73,

Can you release the videos on youtube or dailymotion o let us take a look on this issue?

Because I had the same thoughts on different sports for a while.

What's happening in cricket goes beyond your imagination.
And you're right, everything started with the PAK leaugue last February even though rumors of something very bad were around since September last year.
The scam was not in action last December, in the Dubai Pakistan - England for example.
It started badly in Dubai for the following competition, the PAK League.
It took me several months of being regularly cheated to figure it out.
I know exactly what's going on.
What deals betfair made and who's personally making profit out of it.
I have videos, not rock solid proof to bring to court, but enough to make the scammers inside betfair stop the dirty things they allowed.
My intention is of course, for my personal trading benefits and for the fairness of each betfair's market, to stop it whit all I got.
Keep in touch!

[Ica73]

Hi, is not possible because I show my style to my enemies

[ruthlessimon]

maybe now that your style has stopped working, it's time to write an ebook or paid video series. should cover the reduction in ur turnover

[Ica73]

I can show you an old video.... give me the time to uploadit

[Naffman]

maybe now that your style has stopped working, it's time to write an ebook or paid video series. should cover the reduction in ur turnover

[Euler]

maybe now that your style has stopped working, it's time to write an ebook or paid video series. should cover the reduction in ur turnover

Lots of people do that having never traded successfully!

[Naffman]

Lots of people do that having never traded successfully!

A black and white animal comes to mind

[giulio2010]

Do you think you and others will help grow the exchanges or cause damage in the long run considering bf prefer to drive new customers to their sport book?

I think that's an interesting area of discussion. But I more like to question whether the sports markets are quite as scalable as lightwing suggests they'll become in future (or how well it will "develop" as he puts it).

For a long time I was of the opinion exchanges would kill off bookmakers, but that's not even begun to happen, and I'm not sure it will now. And on a related topic, Betfair justify their premium charge by saying they needed the money to draw in new (losing) customers, and without it, it would eventually result in all the losing people having lost all their money and traders and bots just consuming each other until there would be only one player left. On the one hand, that's pretty absurd. Bookmakers have had a constant stream of customers for centuries, so why shouldn't exchanges.

However, on the other hand, thinking about things more closely, do we really think betting exchanges will develop into a size even beginning to compare with financial exchanges? Nowadays my viewpoint is no. Ultimately, financial exchanges provide a service of allowing people to hedge financial risk, invest in long term products, allowing people to raise capital, etc... and in return traders (in the loosest sense) get compensated with a commission. What value do sporting exchanges offer with which to earn a buck? The only thing I can think of is the value of the entertainment offered for the punter.

From that point of view, I don't see how betting exchanges can evolve to anything as complex or vast as the financial markets with all of its complex products. More likely I see highly sophisticated syndicates (or "companies" if the gambling world were ever to be taxed in the UK), like Lightwing's, who become the main operators of betting exchanges - offering up highly efficient market prices, leaving very little room for other traders, effectively turning the whole system back into a bookmaker.

So in answer to your question Steven - no, it's probably not a good thing for all the average Joe trader. For the punter? They probably won't see much change in the industry.

Almost 3 years ago my mentor and me took a different path as I was, like you, convinced that the exchanges would take over the world of bettings. As many storys of partnership we agreed not work togheter anymore.
She never fully trusted betfair starting from the premium charges but that was not the only thing that she was concerned about. Betfair, for example, could have applied their licences in most EU countrys with some EU regulations but somehow they decided a different approach. Today we have several betfair satellites in europe, each one of them has a very low liquidity but strangely enough for Betfair to survive as there are subsidiary comapanys and not mixed with betfair UK. There are several conclusions of their strategy but one dodgy rumors that kept coming back is that betfair trading it's own market. So if that is true scalping have been totally killed for most outside Uk customers.
However my mentor back then was already talking about a new thing, at 1st i did not pay attention I did not understand how it could possibly work but today I see it as the possible game changer and a big one. It will take 5-6 years tough but I am positive about this new way. It will lead to many possibilities. I am talking about a decentralized market place. It works without licences, it cannot be shut down and uses crypto coin as currencies. As I have realized I made the wrong choice my mentor and me started to work togheter again and projecting a syndacate our self with interesting innovations. It does not mean we will be succesfull but it's a path we really believe has some stuggering potential. It will embrace the idea of sport exchange and how it really suppose to be.

[Bluesky]

Good luck with your endeavour giulio it would be nice if BF could have some genuine competition, but as the market leader I'm sure they will have plans in place to keep things just the way they like it.

[steven1976]

ICA if you want to scalp you have to take it next level. The market is full of cheats as you admitted yourself as being one in manipulating the market. You need to ask betfair to link your accounts so you can just slop (pass) money backwards and forwards over multiple accounts.Then when you get 100 pound enter that does not sell out, just hold it in a loosing position. You can do many things this way. You can set money up.and smash into it and make new prices, you can hold markets.... World is your oyster!

You will thank me one day when you get it!

[giulio2010]

Good luck with your endeavour giulio it would be nice if BF could have some genuine competition, but as the market leader I'm sure they will have plans in place to keep things just the way they like it.

The decentralized market is already out there, it will take 5-6 years to gain market makers attention. The syndacate I have metioned is about providing liquidity for the sport market, NO creating a new exchange. There is a believe that over 10 milion people or more will use the decentralized market in few years so there are rooms for all sort of businesses. The great thing about it is that there are not owners-share holders or all that sht. It runned by reputation people all over the place. Almost like linux or Bitcoin to make an example. It will provide odds or prices for just about everything and the most accurate one. It will not compete with betfair though. Betfair will have some of their trusted customers for quite sometimes with an average of winners which will go lower and lower but the new generations are more oriented towards crypto currencys and decentralized market place.

[steven1976]

Off topic but as your on about currency. Transferwise is going to be the next big thing. Great rates and charges.

[Ica73]

ICA if you want to scalp you have to take it next level. The market is full of cheats as you admitted yourself as being one in manipulating the market. You need to ask betfair to link your accounts so you can just slop (pass) money backwards and forwards over multiple accounts.Then when you get 100 pound enter that does not sell out, just hold it in a loosing position. You can do many things this way. You can set money up.and smash into it and make new prices, you can hold markets.... World is your oyster!

You will thank me one day when you get it!

I don't understand. I must explain... I don't manipulate, I only scalp in the past with Big stakes... Never self-matching or unfair trading with multiple account. Only one account, only one mouse, only one finger

[steven1976]

You answered your own question! You don't cheat!

Your living in the past if you think exchanges are made up of 1000s of people chucking money at horses.

Scalping has moved on. Now its bots slipping it back and forwards and controlling the speed of their matched bets.

Tomorrow, open a week market and put a back and a lay in against each other for 10k on both sides and then think how valuable that could be with a crowd mentality to chase matched number