Jean Delesse - Professional Betfair trader (scam)

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This Jean Delesse guy is definitely a scam and I learnt how by losing 5k GBP with him within 2 hours lol. Oh well, I had to find out and it was money I could afford to lose, but if you have Googled Jean Delesse and found this site and other Twitter messages, it's definitely a scam.

I will post the entire conversation online later.

He will no doubt get another fake ID and another name but he can't suddenly improve his English and way of speaking, so by having his entire conversation online people will know it's him. Avoid at all costs, if you have money to gamble with, then gamble it yourself, you stand a better chance of winning.

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So he will change his name now that anyone that Googles Jean Delesse will find the first link to this website. And he also went by the name of Ferdinand Delesse

Even he changes his name it will be hard to change his methods and bad english and what he says and the screenshots he uses, people will be more aware of it now. So if some French sounding dude says he can double your money every month for 35% commission on his own trading platform, in very bad english....then no doubt it will be this guy, whatever name he decides to use next.

About 20 times he asked me to send via Neteller but I ignored him, still lost 5k thru him on Betfair but a moral victory is that I put no money in his hands. The funny thing was that at the end of it all when my business partner and I was telling him to show the balance back into Betfair since he claims we were in profit, despite losing 5k in our Betfair account within 90 minutes of me giving him the login (!!), he was desperate for 500 GBP to be deposited in our BF account before the balance of 6700 GBP could be put back. LOL! Sounded like a really addicted gambler with no money left and begging for 500 GBP to play with.

There will still be future suckers like me that don't know much about betting and fall for his scam, unless they do a Google search for Jean Delesse or Betfair Scam or Ferdinand Delesse.

Here are the things he will say....so if anyone says something similar, then you know it is this guy: obviously the long paragraphs with perfect english he has just copied from betting websites:

11/30, 4:53pm
Jean Delesse
Here is some details of my service. I am not any kind of tipster I am mostly trading prelive with big amounts in my private platteform. I trade and courtside tennis. I manage wallet for customers who look for safe sports investement and on average double balance monthly. For example with 10000€ investement your monthly profit will be around 6500€.

11/30, 4:59pm
Jean Delesse
I have daily planning with daily targets. I mostly trade and courtside tennis, also horses and soccer, there is big liquidity. Check if your betfair works

11/30, 5:03pm
Jean Delesse
I have my own private platteform of trading and doing most of the time offplay and adjusting odds regarding weight of money

11/30, 5:05pm
Jean Delesse
A guy that invest 20 k now will win in 1 year around 100k net
Definetely if you are for long term
What is your target?

11/30, 5:10pm
Jean Delesse
Trading on tennis is very much in vogue at the moment. It is a very dynamic sport to trade, and if you know when to enter and exit, it can also be a very profitable sport to trade. The beauty of trading tennis is that you can take advantage of situations where the risk v reward can be very much on your side and if you remain patient and disciplined you can secure a very good return in relation to a reasonably small bank
With the financial markets in turmoil trading on tennis represents a very credible form of
alternative investment

11/30, 5:11pm
Jean Delesse
The procedure to join me is simple : You need to open neteller account at neteller.com ( it's like paypal but with bigger limits) then deposit the money there and send it to my platteform and i will need your name and DOB to register and send you weekly update. We will withdraw profit and commision each 15 days or end of month and continue with initial balance. I can also work from you personnal betfair account but it's less confortable
I just warn you that i don't coumpound profit so if you start with 10K£ it will be your based
monthly profit till end of partnership

11/30, 5:16pm
Jean Delesse
You wont loose
This is my guarantee

11/30, 5:28pm
Jean Delesse
Hope to hear from you and that we have a strong partnership together
I am here
Try to be ready
Its better by neteller
So i can use my platteform

12/3, 1:11am
Jean Delesse
Or just open neteller account and i trade directly from my platteform
Tomorow big soccer game between barca and real
Hope that you will be ready
Tx for update

12/3, 4:00pm
Jean Delesse
But honnestly the best is that we do it through neteller so i can use directly my platteform
Regarding limits we will see , if you are for long term we will earn some decent profit


12/3, 4:08pm
Jean Delesse
I am not gambler
Its totally different

12/3, 10:58pm
Jean Delesse
Same odds,same liquidity
I am linked to it
I have a friend that is a programmer that built it to me
I have tools to stop/loss, to hedge profit and to predict starting prices

12/3, 11:01pm
Jean Delesse
On average i use maximum 5% of balance
I have money management

12/3, 11:07pm
Jean Delesse
My advice: Just open your neteller account , fund it and lets start make good money

12/7, 6:21pm
Jean Delesse
My largest client around 15-20 k monthly
He invest around 30 k

12/7, 8:30pm
Jean Delesse
Well there will be always jealous and haters
They want broke my reputation coz of the advantage of my platteform of no bet delay
Anyway if you wish join me then tell it to me coz i made my planning

12/7, 11:28pm
Jean Delesse
I dont ask you to send me money
I just trade in your account and make profits

12/7, 11:32pm
Jean Delesse
I can just say i won't loose your money
You have my word

12/8, 1:47am
Jean Delesse
You wont loose

12/8, 1:47am
Jean Delesse
If i start next days dec 9 with 5k i will reach around 10 k by end of year

12/8, 1:54am
Jean Delesse
I have master account
So if somebody want commision i can send by betfair and not neteller
If its big month of tennis i can reach 60 k


And after he loses everything in your account he will say these things to keep you tagging along, but you will soon realise it's a scam all along and then he will leave the conversation and block you from facebook:

12/10, 5:20pm
Jean Delesse
Dont take this in consideration
After i finish all bets money back automatically in sunday evenin

12/10, 5:24pm
Jean Delesse
It shows lost bet to cancel the commision on profit
I have the right from my platteform
No worry
I m here to make big

12/10, 5:29pm
Jean Delesse
I understand
All is under control
And i wont go away

12/10, 5:36pm
Jean Delesse
It will be around 700£ profit
I am into this since 7 years

12/10, 5:43pm
Jean Delesse
This is a system to avoid commision in betfair
Make them thinking you are gambler
If not if you win they bother you

12/10, 11:19pm
Jean Delesse
Here the results for your account for the moment
And it will appear in your betfair acc when the money back

12/17, 1:48am
Jean Delesse
You dont have to worry partners
Your results will be same as this customer

12/17, 9:12pm
Jean Delesse
I will try my best to show the profit balance back in ur account because i have lot of unsettled bets

12/17, 9:58pm
Jean Delesse
No worry
I am in and ready to meet you

12/19, 6:56pm
Jean Delesse
1st you need deposit from neteller 500£ to your betfair
Let me know when you do that

12/19, 6:58pm
Jean Delesse
This is the procedure
Then we can moove on
Money will be back

12/19, 7:07pm
Jean Delesse
No scam!!!
Better start big things and meet each other

12/19, 9:01pm
Jean Delesse
500 are on?

12:02am
Jean Delesse
I need the 500 in ur acc
Stop calling me a scam
Its unfair

12:05am
Jean Delesse
This is what i will put back when 500£ will be on

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If you're really bored, here's the entire conversation from start of group until when Jean Delesse decided he can't get any more money from us to gamble with. He was literally begging for 500 GBP at the end of it. I hope he's ok and didn't commit suicide, sounded like he didn't have a penny to his name. Enjoy the read....it gets quite amusing at the end!

Conversation started November 29

Nov 29 John created the group.

11/29, 5:20pm
John Smith
Alan, you online?

Jean Delesse
Morning partners

John Smith
Hopefully Alan won't be long
He's heading in London
Might chat after work

Jean Delesse
Thats fine

Nov 29 John Smith added you.

Nov 29 Jean Delesse named the conversation: sports trading investement.

Nov 29 Jean Delesse changed the conversation picture.


11/30, 4:40am
Jean Delesse
How things advance?
Ready?

11/30, 4:41am
John Smith
I'll see if he's online

11/30, 4:41am
Jean Delesse
All right
Hopefully we can start 1st december

11/30, 10:59am
Alan Doe
Hi there. What's the deal? How do we do it?

11/30, 3:11pm
Jean Delesse
Morning
Are you here? I am in contact with Mr Smith since 8 months regarding this project

11/30, 4:53pm
Jean Delesse
Here is some details of my service. I am not any kind of tipster I am mostly trading prelive with big amounts in my private platteform. I trade and courtside tennis. I manage wallet for customers who look for safe sports investement and on average double balance monthly. For example with 10000€ investement your monthly profit will be around 6500€.

11/30, 4:55pm
Alan Doe
Ok
How can all clients get your bets placed? You have to go into each account?
What sports? I have a bet fair account before... Not sure if still active

11/30, 4:59pm
Jean Delesse
I have daily planning with daily targets. I mostly trade and courtside tennis , also horses and soccer , there is big liquidity. Check if your betfair works

11/30, 5:02pm
Alan Doe
What about William Hill? I have an account there also

11/30, 5:02pm
Jean Delesse
Bookmaker. I dont use it. Low odds

11/30, 5:03pm
Alan Doe
Yeah that's true

11/30, 5:03pm
Jean Delesse
Only betfair wich is an exchange. I have my own private platteform of trading and doing most of the time offplay and adjusting odds regarding weight of money

11/30, 5:03pm
Alan Doe
My cousin uses it a lot for football. What's your ROI year on year?

11/30, 5:03pm
Jean Delesse
Ts the best by far
On average i double balance

11/30, 5:04pm
Alan Doe
Annually or monthly?

11/30, 5:04pm
Jean Delesse
But it depends on tennis tournaments

11/30, 5:05pm
Alan Doe
John said you're ok with 28 per cent?

11/30, 5:05pm
Jean Delesse
A guy that invest 20 k now will win in 1 year around 100k net
Definetely if you are for long term. What is your target?

11/30, 5:06pm
Alan Doe
Just looking for creative ROI solutions.

11/30, 5:06pm
Jean Delesse
Then its the right place

11/30, 5:07pm
Alan Doe
We have clients that just want an income monthly

11/30, 5:07pm
Jean Delesse
Perfect

11/30, 5:10pm
Jean Delesse
Trading on tennis is very much in vogue at the moment. It is a very dynamic sport to trade, and if you know when to enter and exit, it can also be a very profitable sport to trade. The beauty of trading tennis is that you can take advantage of situations where the risk v reward can be very much on your side and if you remain patient and disciplined you can secure a very good return in relation to a reasonably small bank. With the financial markets in turmoil trading on tennis represents a very credible form of alternative investment

11/30, 5:11pm
Jean Delesse
The procedure to join me is simple : You need to open neteller account at neteller.com (it's like paypal but with bigger limits) then deposit the money there and send it to my platteform and i will need your name and DOB to register and send you weekly update. We will withdraw profit and commision each 15 days or end of month and continue with initial balance. I can also work from you personnal betfair account but it's less confortable. I just warn you that i don't coumpound profit so if you start with 10K£ it will be your based monthly profit till end of partnership

11/30, 5:12pm
Jean Delesse
Example of daily customer profit

11/30, 5:14pm
Alan Doe
For example... So if you make 10k profit... The new Balance is 20k.... And you take 3500. Then you will start the next month on balance of 16500?

11/30, 5:15pm
John Smith
We have a Betfair account..

11/30, 5:15pm
Alan Doe
So its up to me whether I want to take the profit out or risk losing some the following month

11/30, 5:16pm
Jean Delesse
You wont loose
This is my guarantee

11/30, 5:17pm
Alan Doe
If you're track record says you don't then that is your guarantee

11/30, 5:17pm
Jean Delesse
The starting amount is the based profit for whole partnership
You start 20 k then its 20 k profit monthly

11/30, 5:19pm
Jean Delesse
This is profit for a guy with 10000£ balance
If you start 10 k then your monthly net profit is 10 k even for next month
So you can take out your profit and my commusion wich is better for us

11/30, 5:24pm
Alan Doe
Any lpoa to sign? Or contracts? Stating out terms and agreements

11/30, 5:25pm
Jean Delesse
No need
But Some month i can make 5k instead 10k
But profit is profit
We are adults and here to make money

11/30, 5:28pm
Jean Delesse
Hope to hear from you and that we have a strong partnership together
I am here
Try to be ready
Its better by neteller
So i can use my platteform

November 30
11/30, 10:44pm
Alan Doe
But with netteller the clients can't see what trades are done and the state of their account?

11/30, 10:57pm
Jean Delesse
Of course you receive daily updates

12/1, 1:11am
Alan Doe
I know you won't but isn't the client scared you will just disappear after the money transferred to you?

12/1, 1:24am
Jean Delesse
I have no interest doing that
We withdraw each 30 th of month commision and your profit and continue with initial investement

12/1, 1:35am
Alan Doe
Even if I think you won't... But other people will think it
You won't be the first to do it

12/1, 1:40am
Jean Delesse
I am agree with you and understand your position
How many you wish to start and who is the main investor?

12/1, 4:23am
Jean Delesse
Evening
Example of live customer profit in uk soccer game
With 9000£ investement

December 1
12/2, 4:02pm
Jean Delesse
Morning partners
How do you feel?
Any great news? We start finally?

December 3
12/3, 1:07am
John Smith
Jean… Alan will do it when he's ready.

12/3, 1:11am
Jean Delesse
Or just open neteller account and i trade directly from my platteform
Tomorow big soccer game between barca and real
Hope that you will be ready
Tx for update

12/3, 2:56am
Jean Delesse
Example of daily customer profit:

December 3
12/3, 3:37pm
Alan Doe
Will try and get my account back or I will open another Belfair account at brothers address
What's the largest account you play with? Is there any limits?

12/3, 3:58pm
Jean Delesse
Yes you can open at brothers adress
I work with 40 k , some 20 k , and some 10 k

12/3, 4:00pm
Jean Delesse
But honnestly the best is that we do it through neteller so i can use directly my platteform
Regarding limits we will see , if you are for long term we will earn some decent profit
Today barca vs real , there is 300 k matched and game didnt start!
In play there will be 5/6 millionsmatched
This is why i love betfair, big liquidity

12/3, 4:07pm
Jean Delesse
I mean there is 300 k that was bet in this game
I dont bet in result
I dont cate who win
It's trading
I search for value!
Like for currencies market

12/3, 4:08pm
Alan Doe
I don't really know how Betfair works...I just place bets, win some lose some

12/3, 4:08pm
Jean Delesse
I am not gambler. Its totally different. In bookie you can can only back
In betfair you can buy and sell
And offer prices
Pink side is to sell
Anyway, most important is that we start and that you see profits

Thanks to Betting Exchange and Betfair it is possible to trade on sports betting, as if they were shares or derivatives exchange, exchanging the results of not only football matches or some sporting events (tennis, Formula 1, cycling, etc.), with other players both live, and even before the beginning of the event itself.

12/3, 10:45pm
Alan Doe
Nice. So you should be a millionaire if you're doubling every month

12/3, 10:45pm
Jean Delesse
Thats not the question
But i made good money by living my passion
Human will never be rich
A millionaire want to be a billionaire
I try make as much i can because i don't think betfair will be forever

12/3, 10:48pm
Jean Delesse
This is my own profit since i start
So yes i already reached the million

12/3, 10:49pm
Alan Doe
What's the most you have lost? Have you ever had a client go to zero and need to buy back in?

12/3, 10:50pm
Jean Delesse
I had lost in one trade 7 years ago 5000£
Because i had picture with delay

12/3, 10:51pm
Jean Delesse
I never lost client money but some months i didnt make profit
All is possible with hard work

12/3, 10:51pm
Alan Doe
That's the same with most business... Some months can't make profit

12/3, 10:51pm
Jean Delesse
Exactly
Sports trading is a job

12/3, 10:52pm
Alan Doe
When you say you have your own platform what does that mean?

12/3, 10:52pm
Jean Delesse
It means i have no bet delay and plenty of tools. In betfair its 5 sec delay.
To place bet. So i have better odds
You see barca vs real
2 million marched on this game and it doesnt start
Barca was 1.89 and now 1.76
This is kinf of off play trading
This is why it's better please to work from my platteform and neteller

12/3, 10:56pm
Alan Doe
yeah so you've made your money before the game

12/3, 10:56pm
Jean Delesse
Exactly!!!!
No risk

12/3, 10:56pm
Alan Doe
but your platform still relies on prices from betfair
how did u build it? what is it run on?

12/3, 10:58pm
Jean Delesse
Same odds,same liquidity
I am linked to it
I have a friend that is a programmer that built it to me
I have tools to stop/loss, to hedge profit and to predict starting prices

12/3, 11:00pm
Jean Delesse
I have a vps server

12/3, 11:01pm
Alan Doe
what per cent risk u think u operate on?

12/3, 11:01pm
Jean Delesse
On average i use maximum 5% of balance
I have money management

12/3, 11:03pm
Alan Doe
what if someone pisses you off? you can just go into their account and deliberately lose all
their money!

12/3, 11:03pm
Jean Delesse
If somebody don't pay me then i stop works for him. Because i am here to make money for both parts and if John suggests you , it mean that you are mega serious and professional


12/3, 11:07pm
Jean Delesse
My advice: Just open your neteller account, fund it and lets start make good money

12/3, 11:08pm
Alan Doe
any limits on netteller?

12/3, 11:08pm
Jean Delesse
Nope , you can be gold customer
Example of profit in chelsea game for customer

12/3, 11:09pm
Alan Doe
I dont know how netteller works

12/3, 11:09pm
Jean Delesse
Easy
Go neteller.com
Open it
Even John have an account
Plenty of way to fund it

12/3, 11:10pm
Alan Doe
whats the max can put into it?
is it the same as paypal? linked to a bank account?

12/3, 11:10pm
Jean Delesse
Yea exactly
Big limits
You can 360 k maximum

December 5
12/5, 12:59am
Jean Delesse
Afternoon partners, How are you and how things advance? Example of customer profit ! Bournemouth were odd 700

12/5, 6:48pm
Alan Doe
Just keep making money when you trade our account and not lose

12/5, 8:21pm
Jean Delesse
Dont worry
When we start our big partnership?

December 6
12/6, 1:53am
Jean Delesse
Daily customer profit for this week example

12/6, 11:22am
Alan Doe
How much is this account?

12/6, 5:38pm
Jean Delesse
10k

December 7
12/7, 6:17am
Jean Delesse
Evening, How things advance? Here profit since start of the month for one of my biggest customer?

Keep motivated

12/7, 11:08am
Alan Doe
How much does your largest client make a month? And how much capital does he have?
I managed to get me betfair account activated... Will try a transfer and see if it's smooth

12/7, 6:21pm
Jean Delesse
My largest client around 15-20 k monthly
He invest around 30 k
Hope that your betfair account get activated

12/7, 8:11pm
Alan Doe
Your name is in a Google search... Any response to the accusations?

12/7, 8:30pm
Jean Delesse
Well there will be always jealous and haters
They want broke my reputation coz of the advantage of my platteform of no bet delay
Anyway if you wish join me then tell it to me coz i made my planning

12/7, 10:17pm
Alan Doe
yeah off course, but you know i need to do my dd

12/7, 10:17pm
Jean Delesse
Dd?

12/7, 10:17pm
Alan Doe
due diligence
we have to do this with all our traders, and gamblers!

12/7, 10:18pm
Jean Delesse
So i dont add you in my planning?
You miss plenty of big games right now

12/7, 10:19pm
Alan Doe
no. we are very interested, just doing our dd
there's always big games all year round

12/7, 10:19pm
Jean Delesse
Perfect Alan

12/7, 10:20pm
Alan Doe
do you have skype or number?
can reach u on

12/7, 10:21pm
Jean Delesse
Skype: theprotrader

12/7, 10:35pm
Alan Doe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JExKRPkhZ0w
Classic Betfair trading scam
you've seen this video before?

12/7, 11:22pm
Jean Delesse
What do you want?

12/7, 11:27pm
Alan Doe
we're very interested, just making sure it's not a scam...you would obviously do the same thing

12/7, 11:28pm
Jean Delesse
Then do what is best for you

12/7, 11:28pm
Alan Doe
since i have to give you access to my account which contains all my details, so off course it's not a decision to be made just like that. you know what i mean?

12/7, 11:28pm
Jean Delesse
I dont ask you to send me money
I just trade in your account and make profits

12/7, 11:29pm
Alan Doe
not at first...later i will send money when we build the trust and relationship

12/7, 11:30pm
Jean Delesse
This is why i said that i need start work'in your account

12/7, 11:30pm
Alan Doe
yeah i know...but you would do the same thing i'm doing. since you will have my login details

12/7, 11:31pm
Jean Delesse
Nope
Then invest in other thing

12/7, 11:31pm
Alan Doe
i'm still interested, just doing my dd

12/7, 11:32pm
Jean Delesse
I can just say i won't loose your money
You have my word

12/7, 11:32pm
Alan Doe
i know, since if i dont make money then you dont make

12/7, 11:33pm
Jean Delesse
Then you give me my 28% at time

12/7, 11:34pm
Alan Doe
you said twice a month to settle? or once a month?

12/7, 11:34pm
Jean Delesse
I prefer once a month

12/7, 11:35pm
Alan Doe
yeh thats better
can i call u on skype later on?

12/7, 11:35pm
Jean Delesse
Nope
I have lot of work
Look
Honestly

12/7, 11:36pm
Alan Doe
when are u free?

12/7, 11:36pm
Jean Delesse
Whe you want join me then write me
I am here to make money
No bullshits

12/7, 11:36pm
Alan Doe
we all are
but i never met you or spoke to you! lol
just dong my dd....you would do the same

12/7, 11:39pm
Jean Delesse
Keep in touch

12/8, 1:28am
Jean Delesse
You are really funny pretending i am potential scammer
I really wish you the best in all your investement
I thought you are serious

12/8, 1:31am
Alan Doe
I am serious. You expect me to just trust you and not do any dd?

12/8, 1:31am
Jean Delesse
You can do what you want

12/8, 1:31am
Alan Doe
We do dd on all our partners

12/8, 1:31am
Jean Delesse
What matter is results on your account

12/8, 1:31am
Alan Doe
Why are you so defensive?
This is normal business practice

12/8, 1:31am
Jean Delesse
And if i scammed 800€ , it's because didnt pay me my commision. That guy i told you that i won 7k
I am just defending myself

12/8, 1:32am
Alan Doe
You make me money, I will be happy, I will always pay you

12/8, 1:33am
Jean Delesse
Because i trusted you by sharing my platteform advantages

12/8, 1:33am
Alan Doe
Since if I don't then you have my private details, I won't be stupid to not pay u lol

12/8, 1:33am
Jean Delesse
Sound like i am the king of photoshop regarding what you wrote
I cant do nothing with your private details

12/8, 1:35am
Alan Doe
No hard feelings my friend... But I'm allowed to protect myself and you are allowed to defend yourself

12/8, 1:36am
Jean Delesse
It can if there is consistency in sports trading
It hurts to see that you can think " i am a scammer"

12/8, 1:37am
Alan Doe
How do I pay your 28 per cent? Netteller?

12/8, 1:37am
Jean Delesse
But this bet angel guy wont broke my business and my platteform
Never

12/8, 1:37am
Alan Doe
Or paypal

12/8, 1:38am
Jean Delesse
Yes please neteller, if there is delay i stop!
I hate delays

12/8, 1:38am
Alan Doe
Well if I am you and pissed off with a client I would just go into his account and deliberately lose everything on the casino

12/8, 1:39am
Jean Delesse
Its what i did for the 800€

12/8, 1:39am
Alan Doe
But I promise you this... If you are really legit I can get you hundreds of k

12/8, 1:40am
Jean Delesse
Coz he didnt pay me after 10 days 3000€ of commusion

12/8, 1:40am
Alan Doe
Why would they not pay you?

12/8, 1:40am
Jean Delesse
I have my own platteform
You dont see???
0 sec bet delay
He didnt coz he prefers gambling and lost

12/8, 1:41am
Jean Delesse
In betfair when you place a bet it tooks 5 sec
Me 0 sec!!!!
So i took better odds
Each sec count

12/8, 1:44am
Jean Delesse
I understand you
We will make thousands
How many you wish start?

12/8, 1:46am
Alan Doe
Let's start on 5k gbp first. Since it's me and John's own money first before we take the offer to clients. We don't mind to lose 5k. Lol

12/8, 1:47am
Jean Delesse
You wont loose

12/8, 1:47am
Alan Doe
But it will get to 50k very easily if you promise not to scam us

12/8, 1:47am
Jean Delesse
If i start next days i will reach around 10 k by end of year

12/8, 1:47am
Jean Delesse
But please no delay on commision
Have your neteller ready

12/8, 1:47am
Alan Doe
If you do that I will post and defend you on the website

12/8, 1:48am
Jean Delesse
I dont need it
I have nothing to proof
And have my own consciousness

12/8, 1:48am
Alan Doe
But why would they not pay you the 3k commission? They keep 6k and give you 3k...why would they not do that ?

12/8, 1:49am
Jean Delesse
If i was scammer then they need proof it with facts and a scammer is a guy that steal 2-300 k € not 800€!! Because he lost profits in gambling

12/8, 1:50am
Alan Doe
Ah ok. Addicted

12/8, 1:51am
Jean Delesse
Also in poker. Sad but true

12/8, 1:51am
Alan Doe
John asked if it was possible that you could transfer funds to your own account after get my bf login lol. I said its very difficult to do that. I can't see how you can screw us apart from just lose the money in our account.

12/8, 1:52am
Jean Delesse
I can transfer from my own to yours
But not from yours

12/8, 1:52am
Alan Doe
I told him we start with 5k since we can afford to lose that
So 30k you can get it to 60k in a month?
Have you ever got more than double in a month? Or is that your target?

12/8, 1:54am
Jean Delesse
I have master account
So if somebody want commision i can send by betfair and not neteller
If its big month of tennis i can reach 60 k

12/8, 1:55am
Alan Doe
What you mean master account?

12/8, 1:55am
Jean Delesse
Of course some month I do more

12/8, 1:55am
Jean Delesse
Its big account for VIP that have platteform

12/8, 1:57am
Alan Doe
What's the largest stake you can do in bf?

12/8, 1:58am
Jean Delesse
Depends liquidity
You can be matched 50000€
If you give me 28% i am satisfied

12/8, 2:01am
Alan Doe
What if one day you want 40 per cent? And you tell us to give you that or you will lose all the money?

12/8, 2:01am
Jean Delesse
We negotiate. We close 28% for next 6 month

12/8, 2:02am
Alan Doe
OK deal

12/8, 2:08am
Jean Delesse
Honnestly you ate serious?
Do you really join me?

12/8, 2:10am
Alan Doe
Yes I am. We start this weekend... Let me pass it with John tomorrow. It's just deciding on an amount that we can afford to lose. Since you only invest what you can afford to lose
Based on the dd and risk involved

12/8, 2:13am
Jean Delesse
What % you think i will loose?
In terms of trading
Not in human terms

12/8, 2:14am
Alan Doe
I don't know... But always an element of risk in any investment

12/8, 2:14am
Jean Delesse
You wont loose
But give me at least 1 month of trial
Dont judge me after 3 days

12/8, 2:14am
Alan Doe
Off course not after 3 days
Unless you've lost all already
Alan Doe

12/8, 2:16am
Jean Delesse
Maybe i just make 2 k in end of month
But profit is profit

December 9
12/9, 5:02pm
Alan Doe
yep any profit is good
but off course double would be better
so do we need to sign anything?

12/9, 5:58pm
Jean Delesse
Nope

12/9, 5:59pm
Alan Doe
so just acknowledgments on chat here is binding?

12/9, 5:59pm
Jean Delesse
Exactly. And for me its more confortable by neteller using my platteform

12/9, 6:00pm
Alan Doe
yeah once we all trust each other no problem use your platform

12/9, 6:01pm
Jean Delesse
This is plenty of work even for trial

12/9, 6:01pm
Alan Doe
so toady is 9th Decmeber 2016....so on 9th January 2017 we will look at the account and I will send you 28% of the profit

12/9, 6:01pm
Jean Delesse
Can you make 2500 on betfair and 2500 on neteller?

12/9, 6:02pm
Alan Doe
We are just comfortable with bf right now
So you agree start today with 5k betfair and we settle 9th jan and i send you 28%
28 per cent for 6 months and then we renegotiate. Agree?

12/9, 6:08pm
John Smith
I think we have made it clear that we only using BF

12/9, 6:18pm
Jean Delesse
I am definetely agree
Lets stop talk
Now we need acting

12/9, 6:19pm
Alan Doe
bf login cccctxxxxxxxxx
pw: JDelesse2@16
there's 5k there

12/9, 6:20pm
Jean Delesse
I will acess later
Perfect

12/9, 6:20pm
Alan Doe
please don't scam us
lol
dont steal my identity
this is all based on trust
if you give solid ROI me and john can get many clients and hundreds of k
you wont need to get other clients

12/9, 6:34pm
Jean Delesse
Trust me Alan
Here my id that ask john
I will try log on now
I log on sucessfully

12/10, 12:25am
Alan Doe
Off course you log on successful. Told you we are serious

12/10, 12:25am
Jean Delesse
Please never log when i am trading because then my server is slow
Thx for your trust
Hope we have long road together
I am your father of trading

And then the morning after….!!

December 10
12/10, 11:58am
Alan Doe
umm.....what happened to the account??
you lost everything already???

12/10, 12:04pm
Alan Doe
i thought you said you weren't a gambler?? why did u play on the casino??

12/10, 12:06pm
John Smith
Huh

12/10, 12:06pm
Alan Doe
money is all gone
we were scammed lol

12/10, 12:07pm
John Smith
What?
He flipping took it?

12/10, 12:07pm
Alan Doe
well unless there's an explananation
the money is gone
he said he wasn't a gambler....but the money went into the casino also

12/10, 12:09pm
John Smith
Account empty?

12/10, 12:09pm
Alan Doe
yes
see what he says when france wakes up, but he's probably gone now
lol

12/10, 1:38pm
Alan Doe
within 2 hours you lost everything. you lied to us....the casino is not part of any sports
trading strategy

12/10, 3:07pm
John Smith
Still no response

12/10, 3:26pm
John Smith
I'll give him until tonight then he and all his screen shots will be placed in every scam website i can find, no matter how long it takes. We have his entire conversation

12/10, 3:46pm
Alan Doe
He's already blocked us you knob
He will just use another fake id

12/10, 3:47pm
John Smith
Fucken king canute. Ok, I'll start facebooking everything

12/10, 3:47pm
Alan Doe
Our own fault. I knew it was a scam but we still went in lol
The only smart thing is we didn't fall for sending him money thru netteller

12/10, 3:48pm
John Smith
Can you do a scam website?

12/10, 3:48pm
Alan Doe
Just take it as a 5k trading loss
We've lost millions before, this is peanuts lol

12/10, 3:48pm
John Smith
What a stupid king canute

12/10, 3:49pm
Alan Doe
We're more stupid lol

12/10, 3:49pm
John Smith
We could have given him 100s of thousands

12/10, 3:49pm
Alan Doe
The first time you told me about this Sports Trading...I told you it was gambling... Not trading

12/10, 3:50pm
John Smith
We will find him again

12/10, 3:50pm
Alan Doe
His English does sound like that of someone from Nigeria!!

12/10, 3:50pm
John Smith
Well he can't spell
Probably die from aids anyway

12/10, 3:51pm
Alan Doe
Lol
At least we didn't just send him the money
He made no money from us
Anyway... The warning signs I knew from the start... He was always trying to get us to send thru netteller

12/10, 3:54pm
John Smith
What a cocksucker

12/10, 3:54pm
Alan Doe
Doesn't matter... Only 5k
Our exposure 2500
We 20k down on Fx
Will make it back somewhere else

He made no money from us but probably used our funds to cover his bets on other accounts
That was the scam on the YouTube video
So he made money on other accounts
Using ours as the hedge

12/10, 5:08pm
Alan Doe
He's always on about this time should be laying the bets for the day
But off course no reply lol

12/10, 5:14pm
Jean Delesse
Morning

12/10, 5:14pm
Alan Doe
Omg lol
You are still here

12/10, 5:14pm
John Smith
Fuck me

12/10, 5:14pm
Alan Doe
What happened to the account lol

12/10, 5:16pm
Jean Delesse
Nothing lost
Stop panicking

12/10, 5:16pm
Alan Doe
What you mean?
There is nothing left?

12/10, 5:16pm
John Smith
We were ready to bury you

12/10, 5:17pm
Jean Delesse
Sory i traded whole night
Money is on software

12/10, 5:17pm
Alan Doe
Oh ok
On your platform?
What you mean on software

12/10, 5:18pm
Jean Delesse
Yes during trading
But i never lost or took it
Do you think i am stupid??

12/10, 5:19pm
Alan Doe
But in my account it is now zero
I saw the betting history
And why use the casino if trading bets?

12/10, 5:20pm
Jean Delesse
Dont take this in consideration
After i finish all bets money back automatically in sunday evening

12/10, 5:22pm
Alan Doe
I don't understand how the money can come back into my account?
Since those bets are lost

12/10, 5:22pm
Jean Delesse
Its when i finish all soccer bets today

12/10, 5:24pm
Alan Doe
But on my account all those bets are already lost last night. There's no open bets
How can money come back unless you deposit back from another card?

12/10, 5:24pm
Jean Delesse
It shows lost bet to cancel the commision on profit
I have the right from my platteform
No worry
I m here to make big

12/10, 5:26pm
Alan Doe
I don't understand how that can work
So you are saying by Sunday night there will be a balance on our account?
Even all those bets are lost?

12/10, 5:26pm
Jean Delesse
Of course
This will be cancelled

12/10, 5:27pm
John Smith
Told you Alan, you idiot

12/10, 5:27pm
Jean Delesse
Plz dont judge me
Why i will lost if i can make 100k?

12/10, 5:28pm
Jean Delesse
Its what i made last week for my biggest one
So stop panicking for nothing

12/10, 5:28pm
Alan Doe
But I can only see what's in my Betfair account

12/10, 5:28pm
John Smith
we both thought there must be an explanation but because of history we thought we got scammed

12/10, 5:29pm
Jean Delesse
I understand. All is under control. And i wont go away

12/10, 5:34pm
Jean Delesse
I am not stupid loosing if i can make more with you

12/10, 5:35pm
Alan Doe
Well if I see more than my deposit amounts on Sunday night then you are not stupid... You're a bloody genius! But I totally don't understand what's happening

12/10, 5:36pm
Jean Delesse
It will be around 700£ profit
I am into this since 7 years

12/10, 5:36pm
Alan Doe
Then I don't know what the fuck you are doing but it's genius
Lol...Making profits from losing bets!
You should patent your system

12/10, 5:42pm
Alan Doe
But why go into the casino?

12/10, 5:43pm
Jean Delesse
This is a system to avoid commision in betfair
Make them thinking you are gambler
If not if you win they bother you

12/10, 5:45pm
Alan Doe
You mean on the exchange?

12/10, 5:46pm
Jean Delesse
Of course

Alan
Look
If i make good profit nrxt week
Then come Paris and lets meet each other

12/10, 5:47pm
Alan Doe
But if you're in my shoes... And login to the account this morning and see the betting history
What would you think?

12/10, 5:48pm
Jean Delesse
Coz you are beginner
I will be crazy
For me its trial period
When we will start with big then i will explain all

12/10, 5:50pm
Alan Doe
Could it be make small money then screw us for the big money?
No seriously... I was laughing a little bit when I logged in this morning... Wasn't pissed off
that much... Just laughing since I knew it was scam

12/10, 5:52pm
John Smith
Alan has triad friends
be careful

12/10, 5:52pm
Alan Doe
It's small money to test at the end of the day... And if you did scam me then I would say fair play and well done it was a good scam! But am happy it's not a scam and you explained what you are doing. Thanks mon ami

12/10, 5:56pm
Jean Delesse
Why scam if i can make 50k??

12/10, 5:59pm
Alan Doe
Well you know how human nature works... People are always suspicious until they see results
And me and john have been scammed many times before. We've made money but also lost money

12/10, 6:01pm
Jean Delesse
But you are in profit
You are in good hands

12/10, 6:04pm
Jean Delesse
You are available next week?

12/10, 6:05pm
Alan Doe
Next week I have to go asia
For business

12/10, 6:05pm
Jean Delesse
Shit

12/10, 6:05pm
Alan Doe
Maybe in jan we'll meet up after paying your first 28 per cent

12/10, 8:39pm
Jean Delesse
How do you feel?
My biggest profits when i started fewyears ago so belueve me
I m here for huge things

12/10, 9:41pm
Alan Doe
Nice. Well what happened before is in the past. You need to make us those type of profits now

12/10, 9:44pm
Jean Delesse
This is my target

12/10, 9:46pm
Alan Doe
I still don't understand it. You lost our money but saying we are in profit.

12/10, 9:46pm
Jean Delesse
Its a trick that i cant talk by facebook
Face to face in Paris

12/10, 9:47pm
Alan Doe
If those bets are lost how can we make profit... Unless you use our capital to lay and your other Accounts to bet so you are hedging... But then there's not enough spread on the odds for you to make so much... You would need hundreds of thousands in capital for a 1p spread

12/10, 9:49pm
Jean Delesse
Definetely

12/10, 9:52pm
Alan Doe
So I don't know what you have won
Since I only see the Betfair results
Not from your platform

12/10, 10:00pm
Jean Delesse
For moment around 370£

12/10, 10:12pm
Alan Doe
But how will this reflect back to my account?

12/10, 10:13pm
Jean Delesse
When all my prelive trading will be settled
Here the results for your account for the moment
And it will appear in your acc when the money back

12/10, 11:32pm
Alan Doe
Still don't understand it
Anyway see what happens after a month

12/10, 11:53pm
Jean Delesse
Exactly!

12/11, 12:21am
Alan Doe
But this just shows 326...not the whole balance?

12/11, 12:24am
Jean Delesse
Balance will be in your betfair
Huge profits

December 12
12/12, 4:01am
John Smith
How'd we go?
Any news on results

12/12, 11:36am
Alan Doe
Maybe he's gone this time
Lol

12/12, 12:16pm
Jean Delesse
This week 780£ profit so far

12/12, 1:02pm
John Smith
Brilliant
When does it show up back in account?
How can we see the bets?

12/12, 4:00pm
John Smith
Hello Jean....

12/12, 4:08pm
Jean Delesse
Will do later
I am at gym now

12/12, 4:12pm
John Smith
Good stay healthy

December 13
12/13, 12:33am
Alan Doe
Still no balance

December 13
12/13, 3:51am
Jean Delesse
I am waiting for some soccer trades to be settled

December 13
12/13, 11:13am
Alan Doe
Do they not get settled pre game? You said you make the profits before the game starts?
What is our balance now?

12/13, 12:20pm
Alan Doe
So all our money is still there?
Lol

12/13, 1:26pm
John Smith
Jean....
You there

12/13, 2:21pm
Alan Doe
Maybe this time he's gone? Lol

12/13, 3:59pm
Jean Delesse
5749£

12/13, 3:59pm
John Smith
Hi
Not bad for the first few days
Is that back in Betfair mate?

12/13, 4:44pm
Jean Delesse
Of course

12/13, 4:50pm
Alan Doe
Not showing yet in BF

12/13, 4:51pm
Jean Delesse
I told you i have few bets to settle
You think i go away with ur money?

12/13, 4:51pm
Alan Doe
Oh ok
No just wanted to see it in Betfair

12/13, 4:52pm
Jean Delesse
Thas fine

12/13, 4:53pm
Alan Doe
That's true... But you have to put yourself in our shoes.... At the moment we don't know what's happening until we see a balance. And I won't fully know what's happening until we meet face to face in Paris like you said when do your soccer bets settle? so will be able to see the balance in betfair tonight?

12/13, 6:59pm
Jean Delesse
Next days

12/13, 7:00pm
Alan Doe
so maybe it will go above 6000?

12/13, 7:06pm
Jean Delesse
I hope so

12/13, 10:26pm
Alan Doe
You mean just the balance will show back on Betfair but not the betting history

12/13, 11:15pm
Jean Delesse
Right

12/13, 11:23pm
Alan Doe
If I don't have positive betting history how do I convince investors to come on board?

12/13, 11:44pm
Jean Delesse
You will show mine

12/14, 5:26am
Alan Doe
thats 20% in 5 days
your a genius if you can maintain that!

12/14, 5:26am
Jean Delesse
I am a legend

12/14, 5:27am
Alan Doe
that means u must be 20% up on your large 40k account too?
a lot of money then coming your way then

12/14, 5:46am
Alan Doe
we have this image of some black dude sitting behind his computer in nigeria!!

12/14, 5:47am
Jean Delesse
And asking money by wu

12/14, 5:47am
Alan Doe
and cant work out why still talking to us

Thursday
12/15, 4:09am
John Smith
Any profits today?

12/15, 4:10am
Jean Delesse
Not yet partner
Games just started
Dont be greedy

12/15, 4:11am
John Smith
Just woke up
Ok I'll stay tuned

Thursday
12/15, 11:13am
Alan Doe
Any wins from last night epl?

12/15, 9:00pm
Alan Doe
Yo. How's it going?
When do you think the balance will be in Betfair?

12/15, 11:38pm
Alan Doe
maybe he's finally disappeared? lol

Friday
12/16, 3:09am
Jean Delesse
Not yet loll

12/16, 3:10am
Alan Doe
when then?
lol
we are expecting it haha

12/16, 3:10am
Jean Delesse
Sunday

12/16, 3:11am
Alan Doe
any luck yesterday?
when do u think will show the balance in betfair again?

12/16, 3:12am
Jean Delesse
In some horses races
Sunday hopefully

12/16, 3:14am
Alan Doe
no banking on a sunday?
cant show in betfair
u mean monday or tuesday?

12/16, 3:16am
Jean Delesse
Monday bro

12/16, 3:24am
Alan Doe
ok. sorry to keep asking, but u have to put yourself in our shoes! we don't know what you are doing or how it works, so its only by seeing the balance we can believe it

12/16, 3:25am
Jean Delesse
There is no doubt

12/16, 4:26am
Alan Doe
There is a little bit of doubt. Since we never do this before and we don’t know what you are doing since our betfair account was lost but you say it wasn’t

Saturday
12/17, 1:48am
Jean Delesse
You dont have to worry partners
Your results will be same as this customer

12/17, 1:59am
Alan Doe
We don't know how that's possible with an empty account lol

Saturday
12/17, 12:07pm
Alan Doe
So Monday we will see the balance?

Saturday
12/17, 6:11pm
Jean Delesse
Before xmas

12/17, 6:16pm
Alan Doe
You said Monday?

12/17, 6:18pm
Jean Delesse
Will try my best

12/17, 6:18pm
Alan Doe
Is the money really still there? Lol
Even you deposit back into betfair we can only withdraw back to the deposit method? So how do we get the profits or even the capital back?

12/17, 6:20pm
Jean Delesse
Of course
I have money transfer option

12/17, 6:21pm
Alan Doe
Money transfer in and I can still withdraw to my bank?

12/17, 6:22pm
Jean Delesse
Even to your card

12/17, 6:22pm
Alan Doe
But I thought you can only withdraw back to the origin of deposit?

12/17, 6:33pm
Jean Delesse
You can ask derogation for betfair

12/17, 6:34pm
Alan Doe
what you mean?

12/17, 6:34pm
Jean Delesse
To use other option

12/17, 6:36pm
Alan Doe
they can allow that? i thought not allowed by the banking regulators

12/17, 6:38pm
Jean Delesse
Dont worry

12/17, 6:39pm
Alan Doe
a bit worried because over a week we have not seen anything

12/17, 7:24pm
Alan Doe
so just for trust and confidence if we could see the balance in betfair on monday that would be much appreciated since last weekend when we thought you had scammed us you did say monday!
thanks mate

12/17, 9:12pm
Jean Delesse
I will try my best because i have lot of unsettled bets

12/17, 9:53pm
Alan Doe
you did say last sunday it will show in betfair then in a few days for the bets to settle but
still we not see anything. there will always be unsettled bets since the market never stops. shouldnt be difficult to show our balance in betfair if the money is really still there
it will show we are wrong and will trust you but you have to put yourself on our shoes, you know what i mean?

12/17, 9:58pm
Jean Delesse
No worry
I am in and ready to meet you

12/17, 10:05pm
Alan Doe
Yes. Like you said after we see the balance and profit then we will meet to discuss how you do it and larger deposits

Sunday
12/18, 9:16pm
Jean Delesse
Afternoon
How are you?

12/19, 4:20am
John Smith
Will you be settling the account tomorrow

12/19, 4:21am
Jean Delesse
Hopefully partner

12/19, 4:22am
John Smith
What's the profit now?

12/19, 4:22am
Jean Delesse
1700£

12/19, 4:23am
John Smith
Really? That's fantastic.

12/19, 4:23am
Jean Delesse
Its only the start

12/19, 4:23am
John Smith
On 5000£
We might one day get our money back

12/19, 4:23am
Jean Delesse
Oh yea

12/19, 4:27am
John Smith
Alan always asking me 'if this is real'

12/19, 4:29am
Jean Delesse
No its a moovie lol

Monday
12/19, 11:20am
Alan Doe
What only we see in our Betfair is real!!

Monday
12/19, 6:09pm
Alan Doe
So we can see the balance in Betfair today?
Well.... Actually if you send it today we will see it tomorrow

Takes 24 hours for Betfair and William Hill
But not sure if you deposit it how it can go back to my bank account
It doesn't seem possible

…..and so finally after 2 weeks the addicted gambler realizes he has to show the 6700 alleged balance back into Betfair!! So he tries to ask for money one last time…

12/19, 6:55pm
Jean Delesse
Morning partners
Do you have neteller account?

12/19, 6:56pm
John Smith
Hi

12/19, 6:56pm
Jean Delesse
1st you need deposit from neteller 500£ to your betfair
Let me know when you do that

12/19, 6:58pm
John Smith
So we deposit £500 into Neteller then transfer to Betfair?
Why?

12/19, 6:58pm
Jean Delesse
This is the procedure
Then we can moove on
Money will be back
Then i stop work for you

12/19, 6:59pm
John Smith
What are you talking about? Stop working for us?

12/19, 7:00pm
Jean Delesse
Till end of year
Then i meet with Alan
And we make big things

12/19, 7:02pm
Alan Doe
you said you will put the balance back to betfair, why do i need to transfer another 500 in from neteller?

12/19, 7:02pm
Jean Delesse
Its a procedure
Need make it plz

12/19, 7:03pm
Alan Doe
i dont understand....please explain why you cant deposit the funds back to betfair like you said you would? sounds like a scam now, like we suspected it was from the begining. why you stop work for us? we agreed 6 months trial and your share is 28% of profits per month

12/19, 7:07pm
Jean Delesse
No scam!!!
Better start big things and meet each other

12/19, 7:08pm
Alan Doe
yes we will as agreed....and you agreed to show the balance back in betfair
for over one week now so lets see the balance in our control like you keep saying

12/19, 7:10pm
Jean Delesse
Then less profit to be expected

12/19, 7:10pm
Alan Doe
but like you said....profit is still profit
we are ok with less profit, this is just the start like you said
we just want to see the balance in betfair like you keep saying
it's very easy
if its not a scam

12/19, 8:37pm
Alan Doe
So I guess we're not seeing the balance in Betfair today
Or tomorrow
Lol

12/19, 9:01pm
Jean Delesse
500 are on?

12/19, 10:05pm
Alan Doe
What are you talking about? You said we have 1700 profit so you should deposit that back to our Betfair account. Or send me that to netteller then I will deposit it back to Betfair for you trade on our account
6700 should be the balance we see in Betfair if you are not a scam
So you going to put the balance back or not?

12:02am
Jean Delesse
I need the 500 in ur acc
Stop calling me a scam
Its unfair

12:03am
Alan Doe
How is it unfair? Prove that you're not. Look at your messages and what you said before.... You said will show the balance in Betfair
One week ago
And nothing since
And now you want another 500!!
What does it sound like then?

12:04am
Jean Delesse
I made mistake

12:05am
Alan Doe
You said we are profit 1700
So the balance should be 6700 now

12:05am
Jean Delesse
Yea

12:05am
Alan Doe
So why need us deposit 500?

12:05am
Jean Delesse
This is what i will put back when 500£ will be on

12:07am
Alan Doe
Why? If you have the 6700 then just simply put it back to Betfair or send me in netteller and I put it back in

12:10am
Jean Delesse
Its the rules of my platteform to be able to transfer back
Trust me

12:11am
Alan Doe
Then send me 500 to my PayPal or netteller and I will put it in

12:12am
Jean Delesse
I cant. This need to come from your paypal

12:13am
Alan Doe
Yes so send me the 500 first
Then I will put it into Betfair
Then you can put the 6200 back also

12:15am
Jean Delesse
I cant sorry
I am not the owner of platteform

12:16am
Alan Doe
Lol
You said it was your own platform
Do you forget what you say?

12:17am
Jean Delesse
I am working for somebody
So i dont have total control

12:17am
Alan Doe
You said you work for yourself
Read your messages! It's all here
And your own platform

12:18am
Jean Delesse
I am independent
But for platteform i pay commisions also

12:18am
Alan Doe
So it is your platform
So just send 500 from our 6700 allegedly in our account

12:19am
Jean Delesse
I CAN’T

12:19am
Alan Doe
And I will put it back to Betfair
Because you're a scam. Finally we find out
Lol
You said we have 6700
And we are the client... So yes you can
You said you have your own platform

12:27am
Jean Delesse
I admit i am the only one to use a bit not principal owner

12:28am
Alan Doe
You've lost all our money right?
There is no money left
Nothing you have said made any sense... But we still gave you a chance to show the balance after one week
Why would you deliberately lose to cancel out commission? Lol. The Betfair commission is only on net profits
Call me anytime if you want to explain
Skype: Alantangxxx

12:35am
Jean Delesse
I really need those 500£ urgently Mr Doe

12:43am
Alan Doe
Then send me it thru PayPal or my netteller and I will put it back in

12:44am
Jean Delesse
You need do it yourself with your own funds partner

12:44am
Alan Doe
That's stupid. They won't know if it's my own funds or not. Do you think I am retarded?
Just wire me the 500 to my bank, send thru western union, or netteller or PayPal and I will put it back in
We have 6700 pounds
So very easy to just send me 500 from that

1:09am
Alan Doe
There is no 6700 right? You lost it all last Friday night within 2 hours
Lol
And finally the scammer finally disappears
Lol

3:20am
Jean Delesse
I’m here always

3:50am
Alan Doe
Why?
When will you deposit the 6700?
After you do that then we meet and I will arrange the larger 20k

3:55am
Jean Delesse
Just put the 500 and we go bigger

4:20am
John Smith
This is stupid
There's no reason that would make any sense for us to deposit more money to get our money
Where is the 6700 sitting RIGHT NOW?

4:24am
Jean Delesse
Platt

4:24am
John Smith
Where is the money sitting?
Surely you must have 6700 in your account?

4:28am
Jean Delesse
Nope

4:30am
John Smith
After years of trading you don't have any money...
Jean i think we all know this isn't looking good you flipping scamming king canute

4:32am
Jean Delesse
Stop panicking and follow me

4:33am
John Smith
It doesn't make any sense

4:49am
John Smith
So you don't get access to the 500 so Alan could change the Betfair password. Until the balance is received. Trust is low until we see the balance

5:04am
Jean Delesse
I need have acess
Trust me plezse

12/20
11:39am
Alan Doe
Why should we trust you
What have you done for us to trust you?
You're a flipping scammer

11:52am
Alan Doe
You're just an addicted gambler that should seek help

12:19pm
Alan Doe
Show our balance 6700 in our Betfair then we'll add more
Otherwise send me the 500 from our balance then I'll add it
If you're unable to do any of this then you're obviously some nigger scammer
Like I knew you was from the beginning
Lol

It definitely says here you have your own platform lol
But there's no such thing. It's just Betfair or another exchange... You can't have your own. You think we're flipping stupid?

12/20
9:15pm
Alan Doe
There's never going to be a balance of 6700 in our Betfair

9:16pm
Jean Delesse
It will
It just about the 500

9:16pm
Alan Doe
Right
I believe you lol
The only way it's about the 500 is you need it to try and win back the money you lost.... But you ain't ever going to win 6700 from just 500
You should seek help for your addiction
You lost our 5k in just 2 hours
You have a gambling problem

9:20pm
Jean Delesse
I am one of the biggest trader of industry

9:20pm
Alan Doe
I thought we are 1700 profit? Just send me the 500

9:22pm
Alan Doe
You've made over a 1m euros you said... So just send me the 500 or 6700...should be no problem for you if you're the biggest trader in the industry
Lol

9:26pm
Jean Delesse
I have principle
I never help customer
Only in trading way

9:26pm
Alan Doe
But you're not helping in trading way... You already lost 5k of our money
You said you trade on our Betfair account

9:26pm
Jean Delesse
Nope
Its on platt
It was hard work on ur bf acc

9:27pm
Alan Doe
No... You always said on our Betfair account
Or platform if we send via netteller
But off course we would never send you money first so we choose you to trade on our Betfair account
Which you agreed
We didn't send you money to trade on your platform. We only put money in our Betfair account for you to trade
But you're an addicted gambler
Not a trader
Lol hahaha hahaha
You have money management and you have never lost clients money
Lol
You flipping scammer
You could have managed our large client funds in hundreds of k... But you just decide to lose 5k of our money and you not even make any money from us
Why did you do it?
Apart from the fact that you're addicted
You should seek counselling

9:37pm
Jean Delesse
I am not gambler
You are wrong Doe
But i dont want argue ages

9:38pm
Alan Doe
You are stupid.... You don't think Betfair keeps your gambling history?
All your bets are in the history

9:38pm
Jean Delesse
What does it mean

9:40pm
Alan Doe
Betfair keeps a log of all your bets and Casino stakes. How can you say you're not a gambler?
Lol
You're a flipping addicted gambler

9:42pm Jean Delesse left the conversation.

Hope you enjoyed reading this conversation. Don’t get scammed like we did!

[ShaunWhite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JExKRPkhZ0w

This was my favourite video of the year, not for the message, but for the acting

[LeTiss]

Thanks for that BFW, he's been totally exposed. Just as I thought, he's not spending money on fast cars or exclusive escorts, he's basically a guy with a massive gambling problem and is scamming people for the cash.

[ShaunWhite]

So, the guy says "Pink side is to sell". Oh I see, well that would make it a whole lot easier.

[bigfatwinner]

Did feel a bit sorry for him....he was literally begging for 500 GBP! I felt like just putting it in my BF account out of sympathy. He's a total addict, I can't post the PDF here of how he lost 5k in literally 80 minutes but it's amusing! The weird thing is he was up to 6500 at one point...if he was a professional he would have left it at that and take his commission. But then probably knew I would not work with him again since that's just basic gambling and I can play the casino myself. Yes I lost 5k in this experiment but he didn't make a penny from us since we didn't send him any thru Neteller, which is weird. Not a very good scam if he can't make money. It sounded like he didn't have a penny to his name.

During the two weeks he would randomly show screenshots with numbers claiming they are profits....but off course it's probably photoshop or his losses from before.

[LeTiss]

This is where the integrity and morality of the betting industry is totally brought into question!

Bookmakers will happily take money from problem gamblers until they end up hanging on a piece of rope. However, if they were successful, the bookies would close them down in the blink of an eye.

Betfair are not pursuing this man with the gusto that they should be, and that's because he's making them money. However, if he was using other people's accounts for the purpose of avoiding PC, they'd be after him like a shot

[shakespeare]

So, the guy says "Pink side is to sell". Oh I see, well that would make it a whole lot easier.

Even that's wrong. If the pink side were to sell then the blue side would be to buy. Which would mean that to make a profit you'd want to back at a lower price than the price you lay at.

[bigfatwinner]

Totally agree with you LeTiss. Maybe these scammers like Jean Delesse are actually working for Betfair! How would we know?!

He kept on wanting to meet in Paris and go bigger but his login IP was from Luxembourg....but can be a VPN I guess. Definitely French, would be stupid if it really was Jean Delesse and it's his ID but that's impossible he would show his real ID.

Here is the conversation with BF so I find his IP...off course if he's reading this he will have to be more careful lol and change his IP!

Live Chat
Status: Connected
Jordan B. (Waiting)
Jordan B. : Hello welcome to Betfair you are chatting with Jordan B.. How can I help?
Alan Doe: in my details - security settings - there's a window that shows last login IP address
Alan Doe: but it doesn't go very far back
Alan Doe: i need the ip login or ip address on 9th december
Jordan B.: I see.
Jordan B.: Can you advise the reason please?
Alan Doe: because it wasn't me that logged in
Alan Doe: i need to know the country that person is from
Jordan B.: We'll have to get in touch with our security team.
Jordan B.: If your account has been hacked, we have to suspend it for security reasons too.
Alan Doe: it wasn't hacked
Alan Doe: it was my fault and stupidity
Jordan B.: Ok.
Jordan B.: I can see that there was a login attempted from Luxembourg on that date.
Alan Doe: ok
Alan Doe: any from france?
Alan Doe: can i have this login be shown somehow in the history?
Jordan B.: No, I can't see any on that date.
Alan Doe: so i can take a screen shot
Jordan B.:
12/09/2016
16:22:56
31.6.56.138

12/09/2016
16:23:46
31.6.56.138

12/09/2016
18:57:47
31.6.52.58

12/10/2016
00:24:20
31.6.52.97
Jordan B.: Date, Time and IP listed above.
Jordan B.: All Luxembourg IPs
Alan Doe: ok great

Attached more of his allegedly profit screenshots!!

[bigfatwinner]

Here are his losses. He lost 2900 GBP on the Celtic game thinking they will win by more than 2 goals when any respected gambler will just go to Soccerway and see that they have only won by 2 or more goals in 3 games out of the last 15!! Durrr.

Then like an addicted gambler that he is he tried to go to the casino and win it back. He won about 400 back lol.

Then he lost all of the remaining 2500 on an Argentine Premier League game. I think he doesn't know how to check soccer stats

Got to laugh....

[LeTiss]

What are all those bets at 1.01 on the Argentinian matches?

Has he just lost money on purpose there?

Even if he has a gambling problem, those bets make no sense at all. If he wanted to win back £3000, he would never have won it with those bets

[bigfatwinner]

Yeah that's a bit weird. But odds at 1.01 is a dead certainty! So how can you lose. He made no money from me is the strange thing. Maybe he was pissed that he hinted at Neteller about 20x but we didn't budge so decided to lose it. Lol.

[Dallas]

What are all those bets at 1.01 on the Argentinian matches?

Exactly my thoughts, going through those screenshots it looks like his first objective is to have gamble with a chunk of it, no doubt if he wins everyones happy for a short while and he gets his percentage for no risk. However when it goes wrong rather than let the whole 5K go up in smoke he does as 98lewisj predicted on this thread back on the 7th Dec and self-matched a chunk of it at 1.01 (about 1.8K) and quiet literally walked off with it in one of his other accounts

[bigfatwinner]

What are all those bets at 1.01 on the Argentinian matches?

Exactly my thoughts, going through those screenshots it looks like his first objective is to have gamble with a chunk of it, no doubt if he wins everyones happy for a short while and he gets his percentage for no risk. However when it goes wrong rather than let the whole 5K go up in smoke he does as 98lewisj predicted on this thread back on the 7th Dec and self-matched a chunk of it at 1.01 (about 1.8K) and quiet literally walked off with it in one of his other accounts

Yeah I thought he was using my account as a hedge since he was bullshitting afterwards that we are 1700 up on his platform lol. But at the end of the experiment he was literally begging for 500 gbp... Didn't sound like he made money anywhere or had any. He knew we had more money so why disappear?