Jean Delesse - Professional Betfair trader (scam)

[LeTiss]

I think the phone number on the Skype is incorrect as the 0 after the international code +33 should be dropped for international calls and the +33 dropped for domestic calls, it's extremely rare for the 0 to be kept for international calls in my experience.

A quick google of the mobile number 0624311458 returns a few results:
http://francy-annu.com/B/BENHAMMOUDA-1.php being the most interesting one.

Michel Benhammouda from Rue Robert Noue, 17140, Lagord, France
has the same phone number as Mr Delesse's skype profile, quite a coincidence. Maybe they share the same phone Eww maybe they share the same underpants too!

That's an exceptional piece of detective work mate. Perhaps you could help the German Police in Berlin find the Tunisian truck driver too, as you're wasted sat here

[Dublin_Flyer]

That's an exceptional piece of detective work mate. Perhaps you could help the German Police in Berlin find the Tunisian truck driver too, as you're wasted sat here

Oh I happily would, but do you think the Germans would ask for help in anything ever?

[LeTiss]

You've given Betfair absolutely no excuses Dublin Flyer, for not checking any accounts linked to that man or that address. They could easily shut him down, even if they cannot gather enough evidence to contact the police. Anything just to stop him transferring money from people's accounts into his own

[Dublin_Flyer]

Sad thing is, weekly or fortnightly, there's a news report of someone in court or jailed for emptying the bank account of an elderly family member/neighbour/friend. The worlds heart bleeds for them and people set up Gofundme pages for them.

Someone naive or inexperienced innocently gets fleeced in a pyramid scheme not understanding how they work, or by a cocksucker like the Frenchman, and the victims are made out to be the bad guys - oh they were involved in investing or gambling, they got what was coming to them!

Bullshit, a thief is a thief is a thief!

[Dublin_Flyer]

Oh by the way

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Yeah I gave the Italians a little help cos they're not too bad

[bigfatwinner]

I think the phone number on the Skype is incorrect as the 0 after the international code +33 should be dropped for international calls and the +33 dropped for domestic calls, it's extremely rare for the 0 to be kept for international calls in my experience.

A quick google of the mobile number 0624311458 returns a few results:
http://francy-annu.com/B/BENHAMMOUDA-1.php being the most interesting one.

Michel Benhammouda from Rue Robert Noue, 17140, Lagord, France
has the same phone number as Mr Delesse's skype profile, quite a coincidence. Maybe they share the same phone Eww maybe they share the same underpants too!

Interesting coincidence! But surely not? He would not be that stupid to put his real phone number in Skype so people could search for it. More likely he's incorporated that Michel address, maybe a friend who doesn't know what he's up to. Without being racist, the way he wrote and manner did sound like someone of African origin trying to do a 419.

But the IP address I got from Betfair is Luxembourg. He could be moving around lapping it up with all his winnings or he's using a VPN.

So the issue here is for people not to be warned about Jean Delesse, Ferdinand Delesse, Gustave01 or Michel Benhammouda since all these are aliases...but the Betfair scam that allows your account to be emptied and transferred to their opposing matched betting accounts. It's a joke that they allow a system that can be cheated so easily like this to be legal.

[bigfatwinner]

I don't even know where to start with this. The whole thing has me completely shocked for so many reasons so I'm just going to leave it be haha.

What is admirable though is your ability to come on here and admit fault for the betterment of the greater good.

Please please please please be more skeptical in the future though. I don't think I can take it knowing you're out there getting scammed any more

No problem. It's not the first time I've been online to warn people about a scam! You will cry if you know how much I lost before to scams. C'est la vie. It doesn't seem it but I'm definitely more careful now. If this was me years ago I would have just sent him by Neteller lol.

[LeTiss]

Interesting coincidence! But surely not? He would not be that stupid to put his real phone number in Skype so people could search for it. More likely he's incorporated that Michel address, maybe a friend who doesn't know what he's up to. Without being racist, the way he wrote and manner did sound like someone of African origin trying to do a 419.

For starters, he overlooked you looking at the bets he placed, so he may have been naive with the trail that leads to his door

Secondly, you're not being racist. If Dublin Flyer is correct, his name is a name shared by many North African Muslims. You cannot avoid asking questions about his reasons for raising money through cyber crime. Personally, I think Betfair have a duty to follow up any leads you and other users here can provide, then pass it onto relevant authorities. This could go deeper than we ever imagined

[bigfatwinner]

Interesting coincidence! But surely not? He would not be that stupid to put his real phone number in Skype so people could search for it. More likely he's incorporated that Michel address, maybe a friend who doesn't know what he's up to. Without being racist, the way he wrote and manner did sound like someone of African origin trying to do a 419.

For starters, he overlooked you looking at the bets he placed, so he may have been naive with the trail that leads to his door

Secondly, you're not being racist. If Dublin Flyer is correct, his name is a name shared by many North African Muslims. You cannot avoid asking questions about his reasons for raising money through cyber crime. Personally, I think Betfair have a duty to follow up any leads you and other users here can provide, then pass it onto relevant authorities. This could go deeper than we ever imagined

We might have a hollywood blockbuster here?? How can we patent this thread so some script writer doesn't steal it?!!

Yes when I mentioned that it's all in the betting history and he asked what I mean....I found that a bit weird. How can he not know?! Impossible his previous victims didn't look at the betting history....

9:37pm
Jean Delesse
I am not gambler
You are wrong Doe
But i dont want argue ages

9:38pm
Alan Doe
You are stupid.... You don't think Betfair keeps your gambling history?
All your bets are in the history

9:38pm
Jean Delesse
What does it mean

9:40pm
Alan Doe
Betfair keeps a log of all your bets and Casino stakes. How can you say you're not a gambler?
Lol
You're a flipping addicted gambler

9:42pm Jean Delesse left the conversation.

[bigfatwinner]

Also he is still probably reading this thread....he read it after I posted my very first message, so if he is a terrorist trying to get funds (no offence to the billions of innocents this comment might cause) we have probably warned him!!

12/8, 1:31am
Jean Delesse
What matter is results on your account

12/8, 1:31am
Alan Doe
Why are you so defensive?
This is normal business practice

12/8, 1:31am
Jean Delesse
And if i scammed 800€ , it's because didnt pay me my commision. That guy i told you that i won 7k
I am just defending myself

12/8, 1:32am
Alan Doe
You make me money, I will be happy, I will always pay you

12/8, 1:33am
Jean Delesse
Because i trusted you by sharing my platteform advantages

12/8, 1:33am
Alan Doe
Since if I don't then you have my private details, I won't be stupid to not pay u lol

12/8, 1:33am
Jean Delesse
Sound like i am the king of photoshop regarding what you wrote
I cant do nothing with your private details

12/8, 1:35am
Alan Doe
No hard feelings my friend... But I'm allowed to protect myself and you are allowed to defend yourself

12/8, 1:36am
Jean Delesse
It can if there is consistency in sports trading
It hurts to see that you can think " i am a scammer"

[bigfatwinner]

Good evening,
I am the real jean delesse and to see that people said that i am scam makes me unconfortable.
Again is it possible to delete this topic that has nothing to do with trading if not i will need to complain to the right authority!
Thanks in advance

This is hilarious! He must be a comedian in France?

[Dublin_Flyer]

Secondly, you're not being racist. If Dublin Flyer is correct, his name is a name shared by many North African Muslims. You cannot avoid asking questions about his reasons for raising money through cyber crime. Personally, I think Betfair have a duty to follow up any leads you and other users here can provide, then pass it onto relevant authorities. This could go deeper than we ever imagined

I went a bit deeper LeTiss, didn't include it in the initial post in case I was accused of being a wannabee CSI/Sherlock Holmes type! (Although I'm a CSI fan, love the fight scene in the 1st Sherlock Holmes film, and I work in a science industry)

The name of the guy who shares the phone number doesn't appear that common at all from my googling!
There's the standard google autocorrect which includes Michael instead of Michel.

That produces many more results. One eye catcher for me was a Michael Benhammouda. French guy too and plays poker. Had a few wins but nothing major but likes to play around the Bordeaux area casinos. Only a couple of hours drive from the tiny town of Lagord. Stands to reason that a poker player who likes the €200+ buy-ins might be a bit of a gambler?
Age is 40ish going by Linkedin/Facebook profiles, so it's out by 15 years or so compared to the Skype age. Works as a Sales Manager too, they're always trying to sell you something they can't provide!

Any forumites offering to contact the French Embassy/Consulate in your local area regarding Jean Ferdinand Delesse, on behalf of a business, checking the validity of a persons National ID Card and name, before conducting business with them? Seems like a legit prove-able check of ID to me.

Regarding the 419 I'm not sure, in my vast experience of dating/hookup sites or apps, there's always the lack of I in the reply when you ask a question.

DF: Are you doing anything nice this weekend?
419: Am doing nothing

DF: Oh I see, so what are you at today?
419: Am working, but I need $2150 because customs have stopped my timber shipment and I must pay duty, can you help me pls?

DF: I certainly could, but unfortunately all the pictures you have sent me show you're a beautiful white girl. I'm only into black girls. Sorry about that.

[bigfatwinner]

Secondly, you're not being racist. If Dublin Flyer is correct, his name is a name shared by many North African Muslims. You cannot avoid asking questions about his reasons for raising money through cyber crime. Personally, I think Betfair have a duty to follow up any leads you and other users here can provide, then pass it onto relevant authorities. This could go deeper than we ever imagined

I went a bit deeper LeTiss, didn't include it in the initial post in case I was accused of being a wannabee CSI/Sherlock Holmes type! (Although I'm a CSI fan, love the fight scene in the 1st Sherlock Holmes film, and I work in a science industry)

The name of the guy who shares the phone number doesn't appear that common at all from my googling!
There's the standard google autocorrect which includes Michael instead of Michel.

That produces many more results. One eye catcher for me was a Michael Benhammouda. French guy too and plays poker. Had a few wins but nothing major but likes to play around the Bordeaux area casinos. Only a couple of hours drive from the tiny town of Lagord. Stands to reason that a poker player who likes the €200+ buy-ins might be a bit of a gambler?
Age is 40ish going by Linkedin/Facebook profiles, so it's out by 15 years or so compared to the Skype age. Works as a Sales Manager too, they're always trying to sell you something they can't provide!

Any forumites offering to contact the French Embassy/Consulate in your local area regarding Jean Ferdinand Delesse, on behalf of a business, checking the validity of a persons National ID Card and name, before conducting business with them? Seems like a legit prove-able check of ID to me.

Regarding the 419 I'm not sure, in my vast experience of dating/hookup sites or apps, there's always the lack of I in the reply when you ask a question.

DF: Are you doing anything nice this weekend?
419: Am doing nothing

DF: Oh I see, so what are you at today?
419: Am working, but I need $2150 because customs have stopped my timber shipment and I must pay duty, can you help me pls?

DF: I certainly could, but unfortunately all the pictures you have sent me show you're a beautiful white girl. I'm only into black girls. Sorry about that.

That's what I did also....I googled Michel B and Google said do you mean Michael B so I did that also. Some poker player there in tournaments. And then I remembered what he told me one time and thought that's another coincidence....

12/8, 1:48am
Jean Delesse
I dont need it
I have nothing to proof
And have my own consciousness

12/8, 1:48am
Alan Doe
But why would they not pay you the 3k commission? They keep 6k and give you 3k...why would they not do that ?

12/8, 1:49am
Jean Delesse
If i was scammer then they need proof it with facts and a scammer is a guy that steal 2-300 k € , not 800€!! Because he lost profits in gambling
Also in poker. Sad but true

Could it really be possible that we have got our guy lol? It can't be surely. He can't be that dumb if he can match the 1.01 bets and steal my 2k from the account. If I set out on a path to scam I would make sure all my names, numbers and ID was fake or belongs to another person and nothing belongs to me.

[bigfatwinner]

Just looked more into his betting history to see if there was any Poker table bets in the casino....there wasn't, only Blackjack. He won about 300 GBP back to get it to 2400 and then lost the rest on football.

[LeTiss]

Have Betfair given you any confidence that they will be taking this further?