Are horses in different races linked

[steven1976]

I made a comment on a post on BA Facebook and got the reply that different races are NOT independent from each other but without much explanation. I could guess and make my own interpretation but curious as to what others think in relation to separate races the odds can influence to another race?

I'm therefore curious as to get people's views on what they understand they mean.

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[SeaHorseRacing]

When an odds on favourite is beat there are notoriously known punters who double up on the next favourite (very short odds on fav).. Specifically very short priced favourites... thats my view on your screenshots...

So you expect to see a steamer...

[Euler]

There are curious links between seemingly unrelated events in a number of markets. Like trainer / jockey gambles. One event somewhere will often set of a reaction somewhere else.

[kerberus]

From Today's Bible (for some at least)

http://www.racingpost.com/

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So you've got - 12.55, 3.00 and 3.55.

Three different courses, two countries, Turf and All Weather etc.etc.etc. all in one little box and with the names of the geegees.

I've witnessed this in Bookies - they're often a last quid gamble.

[Halliday]

There are curious links between seemingly unrelated events in a number of markets. Like trainer / jockey gambles. One event somewhere will often set of a reaction somewhere else.

The answer to your question is yes, and for many reasons, some obvious to everybody and others not so obvious. The list really is endless

Some examples ...

Noticeable unexpected draw bias as a result of changes in going etc

The "golden highway " at certain courses at certain times . Was the case at Lingfied and Windsor on soft going, which resulted in low drawn horses being shorter than their form entitled over certain distances . Happens a lot at different courses over the season

Dettori 7 timer at ascot

Barney Curley gambles on horses trained in some cases by different trainer

Tom Segal ( Pricewise) selections in different races nearly always shorten , often the case with Hugh Taylor too

Obvious ones like trainers/ jockeys riding winners in previous races

A horse winning a race or running well having collateral form horses running in later races


Trainers horses at certain meetings . Used to be the case with Mark Johnston horse at Glorious Goodwood

Specific Recent examples

Johnny Levins "gamble " Dundalk Oct 2016

Johnny Levins' Dundalk runners.. I well remember looking at the bookies odds and contrasting them with the exchange odds

5.30: Palavacini Run - 9-4 (top overnight price) into 6-5 3rd SP 6-4f

6.30: Deeds Not Words - 10-1 into 3-1 6th SP 12-1

7.00: Bective - 16-1 into 7-1 5th SP 20-1

8.00: Rateel - 10-1 into 7-2 9th SP 10-1

8.30: Sixtyfiveroses - 9-2 into 15-8 4th SP 12-1

9.00: Havelock Ellis - 7-1 into 3-1 3rd SP 11-1

COUNTY Kildare trainer Johnny Levins on Wednesday morning played down the gamble on his runners at Dundalk in the evening, saying anyone thinking the yard will walk away with six winners is "living in cloud cuckoo land" - and he was right to do so.



Charles Bynes Rosscommon gamble 2016

CHARLES BYRNES and Davy Russell were the toast of Roscommon on Tuesday evening after landing a "well orchestrated gamble" courtesy of three runners who were available at double-figure prices in the morning.

War Anthem was the first of the three to take his chance in the maiden hurdle at 6.40 and despite finishing down the field in his two most recent starts, scored stylishly under Davy Russell at 6-1, having been 16-1 in the morning and as short as 4-1 at one stage.

Next up was Mr Smith, a formerly John Gosden-trained gelded son of Galileo, who lined up in the 2m4f handicap hurdle at 7.10. Soundly beaten in a handicap hurdle last month, Mr Smith returned the 7-4 favourite, having been as big as 12-1 earlier in the day.

All eyes were then on Top Of The Town in the 2m7f handicap hurdle at 8.10. It had been more than a year since the gelding got his head in front but he did his job just as readily as his stablemates to land the gamble, returning the 5-4 favourite

[Dublin_Flyer]

Ayr Gold Cup day 2015 had 4 horses from the same owners and all trained by Richard Fahey.

Another Touch, Don't Touch, Right Touch, Innocent Touch. Winners at 13/2, 6/1, 5/1, and of course the final one came in 8th at 3/1F saving some bookies from big big payouts!

[Halliday]

Ayr Gold Cup day 2015 had 4 horses from the same owners and all trained by Richard Fahey.

Another Touch, Don't Touch, Right Touch, Innocent Touch. Winners at 13/2, 6/1, 5/1, and of course the final one came in 8th at 3/1F saving some bookies from big big payouts!

Yes I remember the above, I'm sure the various links to other races mentioned in this thread happen most weeks and affect prices one way or another , especially on course as most weekday on course markets are very weak, and often the exchanges offer a better insight