Today's Horse Racing

[Korattt]

Got some big moves from playing markets early today with small stakes.ice_screenshot_20170221-170849.png

well done

[Dallas]

Nice drift to end the day

[SeaHorseRacing]

Nice drift to end the day

Got that wrong

[Korattt]

I got everything wrong, 4th Tuesday with ending up in a loss

[Euler]

My first losing day in ages, mainly thanks to Taunton. Got tripped up in nearly every Taunton race. A bit embarrassing TBH.

[ShaunWhite]

My first losing day in ages, mainly thanks to Taunton. Got tripped up in nearly every Taunton race. A bit embarrassing TBH.

I'm going to frame that..... I made plus PLUS 85p, also with a very messy Taunton. So I'm going to give myself a great big A+, in green pen.

Euler, if you need some advice don't be afraid to ask We all have a great deal of experience on how to cope with bad days.

[Halliday]

not really no, thought that fav in the 15:00

When you say thought would comein a more. What price roughly where you at on the back side when that spike come in??

went in on the backside when I saw the IP improve with good order flow (as per horse racing workshop)

Koratt don't over complicate things the best trades just tend to happen, you can get bogged down with too much information. I suspect at the moment if you traded randomly you wouldnt notice much difference in your results .

Trading isn't as difficult nor complicated as it is made out to be , but there are some for whatever reason will never master it

Do you just trade on horse racing , and did you have an interest or knowledge of the sport before ? I know someone who can read how a horses will go hours before the off without ever looking at a graph or chart.

Finally by all means take advice , but bear in mind not all advice will be beneficial or sound. There are some who offer there advice on here, (no doubt genuinely trying to help ) but if you checked their "form" you would find them unreliable and deserving of the dreaded Timeform "squiggle"

So beware !!

[Korattt]

When you say thought would comein a more. What price roughly where you at on the back side when that spike come in??

went in on the backside when I saw the IP improve with good order flow (as per horse racing workshop)

Koratt don't over complicate things..

Trading isn't as difficult..

Do you just trade on horse racing , and did you have an interest or knowledge of the sport before ? I know someone who can read how a horses will go hours before the off without ever looking at a graph or chart.

So beware !!

Do I trade other sports?, I do but not that seriously, do I have an interest in Horse Racing?, I have an interest but I lack knowledge and experience.

You know someone who's able to read how a horses price will pan out without looking at a graph or chart?, I find that quite remarkable. You must do quite well with his (or her) help?

[Halliday]

went in on the backside when I saw the IP improve with good order flow (as per horse racing workshop)

Koratt don't over complicate things..

Trading isn't as difficult..

Do you just trade on horse racing , and did you have an interest or knowledge of the sport before ? I know someone who can read how a horses will go hours before the off without ever looking at a graph or chart.

So beware !!

Do I trade other sports?, I do but not that seriously, do I have an interest in Horse Racing?, I have an interest but I lack knowledge and experience.

You know someone who's able to read how a horses price will pan out without looking at a graph or chart?, I find that quite remarkable. You must do quite well with his (or her) help?
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He used to actually work for Timeform in the old days, well the 1970s when Phil Bull was still around and helped compile the Timeform Ratings for a while , and still keeps his own speed ratings .he also used to do a tissue( pricing up the horses in each race ) for several on course bookmakers. That was when the on course market was considerably stronger and in the days before exchanges

If you study form and other associated stats such trainer trends/form , draw bias, influence of jockeys, handicapping, race trends etc, stables whose horses are overbet, etc.Then it's not that difficult to make your own market or tissue for each race and recognise the horses that are likely to shorten or drift.

[Korattt]

If you study form and other associated stats ..

..recognise the horses that are likely to shorten or drift.

Horse Racing Workshop, one of the questions asked on the day was,

Do you do any 'homework' before you open up any particular trade?

Answer was, no not really.

[Halliday]

If you study form and other associated stats ..

..recognise the horses that are likely to shorten or drift.

Horse Racing Workshop, one of the questions asked on the day was,

Do you do any 'homework' before you open up any particular trade?

Answer was, no not really.

Everybody has their own way of doing things ,and I'm sure Peter does spend time checking out the markets he is going to trade on( seen several interviews where he has stated that )

You have referred to the workshop a lot in this thread iniimating you have been told something which doesn't seem to work for you , Or others stating different opinions and views on the same point .

You need to find your own way of doing things and get your own "edge " You won't get anywhere if you overcomplicate

I only trade on Horse Racing, Nearly always on the ladder and nearly always with an opening Lay.
And because I have studied form and stats for years. My Homework on each race takes minutes and tends to be intuitive.

I don't trade any other sport.Which is probably why I get frustrated when people make trading more complicated than it is.

It works for me, others will probably pick holes in it and say I'm missing no other opportunities. But I've done it for so long it's second nature to me

How do you think the on course market was formed before Betfair and its graphs and charts

I well remember one of my friends who used Pricewise Extra ... the Stats on Pricewise extra for one season we're

Advised Profits/ Price : +81.2 pts from 307 pts staked
SP Profits: -49.95 pts from 307 pts staked

That’s a massive swing of 131.15 pts, From opening price ( or price available) to SP ... not difficult to make a consistent profit with Back to Lay trades

Same with Hugh Taylor .. His selections tend to shorten once they are out up on the ATR website

[SeaHorseRacing]

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I well remember one of my friends
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You have friends? What concerns me is that you may have more than one...

[ShaunWhite]

Horse Racing Workshop, one of the questions asked on the day was,

If everyone did it the same way, nobody would make any money.
It's the push and pull of opinions and motives that makes a market.

[SeaHorseRacing]

Your right there ShaunWhite.
There are so many ways to trade and I think character and personality play a big part.
I am believer in learning who you are is the key to trading successfully. The margins on the exchange are so small that it would only take a very small edge to make it work.

I always think of trading as learning to sing. Mentioned something similar once before.The reason why most people can't sing or learn to is because the are unable to discover their own unique voice. So they usually copycat another singer. For some they may sound more like who there trying to impersonate. The key (no pun intend) is to find your own voice. Some will be naturally better but that's just life.

I also believe that trading is about taking responsibility and taking action. It's easier to just sit there with your fingers crossed. Some of my best trade have been from markets where I've had to test the water several times as if it's a reward for doing right.

[Halliday]

I well remember one of my friends
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You have friends? What concerns me is that you may have more than one...
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SHR ... You little tinker you ... your like a rascally dog with a bone, just never wanting to let go ... quite endearing on occasions, always wanting to be the centre of attention, and occasionally disgracing oneself !! But always apologising and coming back for more .. often under a new name ... but always with the same bark .. . . Woof ..Woof

But you know your horse racing and have a passion for it like me , but we never quite know about your trading prowess, because of past failures oft repeated .. which means when you offer advice to newbies who don't know your track record it should be accompanied by that dreaded Timeform "squiggle .

But the forum wouldn't be the same without you in one of your many " nom de plumes ", would it ?