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[Anna List]

People who think terrorism and the war on terrorism is caused by any religion are flipping clueless.

ISIS, Al Queda etc were created, funded and trained by the US and it's allies. Saudi Arabia and Qatar are big sponsors of ISIS to.

It all comes down to MONEY. They use ISIS to divide and conquer the Oil-rich Middle East. The fact that the United States has a long and torrid history of backing terrorist groups will surprise only those who watch the news and ignore history.

Basically Saudi Arabia (US) want to pipe natural gas straight to Europe and you've only got to look at the map to see how the wars in Iraq, Syria are clearing the path. Israel is the next big part of the plan and putting pressure on and stopping Iran's influence in the region is an ongoing fight.

There are essentially three wars being waged in Syria: one between the government and the rebels, another between Iran and Saudi Arabia, and yet another between America and Russia.

America is using ISIS in three ways: to attack its enemies in the Middle East, to serve as a pretext for U.S. military intervention abroad, and at home to foment a manufactured domestic threat, used to justify the unprecedented expansion of invasive domestic surveillance. Terrorism is an excuse to justify mass surveillance, in preparation for mass revolt.

The so-called “War on Terror” should be seen for what it really is: a pretext for maintaining a dangerously oversized U.S. military.

The wars have cost the American taxpayer trillions of dollars and thousands of fallen sons and daughters, BUT the wars have also raked in billions of dollars for Washington’s military elite. More than seventy American companies and individuals have won billions of dollars in contracts for work in post war Iraq and Afghanistan over the last few years, 75 per cent of these private companies had employees or board members, who either served in, or had close ties to, the executive branch of the Republican and Democratic administrations, members of Congress, or the highest levels of the military.

Don't get me wrong things have backfired against the west but what do you expect. TERRORISM IS THE SYMPTOM NOT THE CAUSE!!! American imperialism in the middle east is the cancer.

Thanks to the Main Stream Media, people have no idea. Do you not think they could have easily wiped out ISIS if they wanted to? They/we fund the wars. It pays to.

Nail, Head.

However, there is one part that I don't agree with. You can shoot/bomb and kill a terrorist but not the ideology to which they subscribe. They believe that when they die, they go to paradise and, because of this, they are not afraid of the finality of death because, for them, death isn't final. For them, there is a life beyond death, they believe. Prove that ain't so and now things change. OK, there's still going to be those that are willing to die for their cause but, I suspect, there will be a lot fewer. The problem is, how do you prove that god and life after death ain't so? Even if it can be proved, try telling that to a fanatic. They'll find some way of disbelieving the proof.

[EyePeaSea]

ISIS, Al Queda etc were created, funded and trained by the US and it's allies. Saudi Arabia and Qatar are big sponsors of ISIS to.

I don't agree 100% with your entire post, but overall, yes. I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of despots over the last 100 years have been backed by by the Americans, British, French, Russians etc. at one stage or another. Maybe some of those were for understandable reasons - "A bad person in power is better than a really really bad person" - but I honest believe that too many times, the ulterior motive was money and international power.

Do you not think they could have easily wiped out ISIS if they wanted to?

Here, I think you're wrong. The reason why powerful military machines over the last 70 years have struggled to 'win' conflicts (think, Vietnam through to Afghanistan for the Russians, then the Americans, to the current conflicts across the Middle East) is because the conflicts usually involve people who 100% believe that their lives, their culture and their future is at stake. That generates a fanatical willingness to sacrifice everything. Mogadishu was a classic example. Some women and children were used as human shields in the street fighting - many were coerced but many of those women willingly put their own lives and the lives of their children at risk of almost certain death. You cannot fight against that fanatical belief with guns and tanks and bombs.

So back to your comment about terrorism being a symptom... Inequality (of life, health, freedom), ignorance and intolerance; those are the causes. Terrorism and conflict are just the obvious result.

And there is way too much ignorance and intolerance, even in prosperous countries with good education systems. That's why I despair for the human race.

[LeTiss]

Do you not think they could have easily wiped out ISIS if they wanted to?

I don't agree with that either - I'm sure that's exactly what the Americans thought when they entered Vietnam

ISIS is not a country, it is a cancerous ideology. The moment you kill 500 Jihadis, another 500 will instantly pop up

[EyePeaSea]

The moment you kill 500 Jihadis, another 500 will instantly pop up

Don't agree with your figures. If you kill 500 fanatics, then it'll probably be 600 that pop up next. Then 700. The things that drove 500 people to be fanatics are still there, and the effort (and collateral damage - of all kinds) to kill those first 500 has just increased the warped justification they have. It's like putting out a fire with petrol.

I'm not saying that Wednesday's murderer should have been given a hug. As the son of a Met Office anti-terrorist officer, I'm probably more convinced of the necessity to use lethal force, in the right circumstances, than most. It's the sheer lunacy of tackling the symptom not the cause that makes me so upset and angry.

[RentonT]

Great reply's EyePeaSea, it is sad that history just repeats itself. Money/power and controlling the masses goes back to ancient times. Our nature requires us to have leaders but they are often greedy.

You touched on Ignorance, some people are COMPLETELY IGNORANT, thanks to the mainstream media and the sheer laziness of people, they should do the work themselves, ask questions and research the topic before giving strong opinions on subjects. You see it all over social media, and it is mad how people think they know about something when they have no clue. I mean 5 year olds do a better job of asking questions and satisfying themselves with the truth. People hate saying "You know what, I don't actually know."

Going back to the referendum, wouldn't it have been fun if everyone had to pass a test before they were allowed to vote to show they understood what it was all about. (I'm not complaining about the result btw). I mean you have to pass a test before you can drive. And whilst on a rant, people should be granted a license to become parents

Anyway, I may be wrong about killing off ISIS if they wanted to, I don't know for certain. But that isn't the point, I said that to try and emphasise the fact they are happy with the general purpose of ISIS and how it serves them.