Here we go again, why never make a video for this ?

[andyrich666]

You all know my issues with BA and I am fuming, again I back at 33 the horse wins only backed 2 horse and lost £400 cos of the software

Log is posted below, this time I don't hit 3 times, im hoping it sorts itself out,..............this is so unfair, and all is ever promote promote promote, yet I say about this so many times and never a video to explain why and to prevent, I am sick sick sick, but I ask you please make a video about the negatives also.

I should be booming not puking, all I assume is some people will be laughing at this, not funny for me, had 1200, hard to get from £10 stakes and now got 620 left, horrible feeling cos this leads to chasing cos it is so wrong.


21/05/2017 14:40:33: Market changed to Naas 21st May - 14:40 7f Listed
21/05/2017 14:40:39: £ 10.00 Back bet placed on Texas Rock at 26. Fully matched at 30. Ref: 93455841270
21/05/2017 14:40:55: Market has been suspended
21/05/2017 14:40:56: Market is in-play
21/05/2017 14:40:56: Market has been unsuspended
21/05/2017 14:41:11: £ 10.00 Back bet placed on Drumfad Bay at 13. Fully matched at 15. Ref: 93455950613
21/05/2017 14:41:32: Placed closure bet on Texas Rock by Laying 236.22 at 1.27
21/05/2017 14:41:38: Placed closure bet on Drumfad Bay by Laying 129.31 at 1.16
21/05/2017 14:41:38: Modify bet persistence 93456019079 from 'Cancel' to 'Keep'

21/05/2017 14:41:54: Cancelling bets 93456019079 93456038150
21/05/2017 14:41:55: Greened up Drumfad Bay by Laying 9.09 at 28
21/05/2017 14:41:55: Greened up Texas Rock by Laying 95.24 at 8.6
21/05/2017 14:42:23: Market has been suspended

[andyrich666]

I chased and Im back thanks to pertrou had 500 on it, but it should neeeeeeevvvvvvvvvverrrrrrrrrrrr be that way

[MemphisFlash]

doesn't sound like your trading to me. your betting and using some sort of system to recover money. first rule of trading, never chase lost money, you will lose it all eventually!!!

[Dublin_Flyer]

Was this manual or automated?

[SeaHorseRacing]

Ffs mate. We've been through this before. Regardless if it is your fault or the software. You have to take responsibility.

[andyrich666]

Ffs mate. We've been through this before. Regardless if it is your fault or the software. You have to take responsibility.

If I had 0 money in my betfair, it would not have lost, so it is a software problem, If I had £0 the betfair would not allow me to go 400 overdrawn.

FFS is easy, my problem is not the ................FFS....................myt issue is the company could and should make a video also to show the downsides, but no, more likely just sit their and laugh at me pissing my hard work away

To find a 33/1 winner is hard enough, to have it win and lose 400 is gut wrenching, all I ask is make a video to show the negatives, rather than have a pop at me which is easy.

I want to go to town with this, but I did I feel I would be blocked or barred, You think I am wrong but how can I be,

[andyrich666]

Was this manual or automated?

Manual i running, had massive green clicked trade out, and poop'd

my fault as i have a rule but i broke it, sometimes when 2 horses are both coming in then it natural you would click the green up button, after all that is what it is the point of it.

I have been told other software does not allow this but I like BetAngel, I don't know why it can'r have a switch built in to green on a certain figure, say green when hits £100 or £250 / £1000

then this would never ever happen.

[SeaHorseRacing]

I am certainly not laughing at you pissing money away.

If you are serious concerned of a risk of losing money that is totally wrong doing you should write to the author to resolve.

I was just simply trying to explain like I did before.

Trading and gambling can be very very high risk and in order to profit it requires the mentality.

Its like backing a horse your convinced will win. Yet the jock drops his reigns during the race and just gets beat by a nose.
Is it right to telephone the stable and tell the jockey to buck up his ideas?

You have to see it as a variable. If your dedicated to your trading and gambling you need to make a risk assessment and ask yourself...

These glitches are they making me a losing trader/punter long term or are they just a nuisance?

If they are contact the author to try and resolve or try a different software if not see them as part of doing business.

Look, Betfair will crash, my pc will crash and my internet will go down at some point during a trade, its going to happen. Concentrate your efforts on dealing and minimising these.

If your respectful you should be able to express anything about the software. Otherwise this shouldnt be a forum. I agree if this is a true genuine case of faulty software speak up but I am still unconvinced it is.

[Alpha322]

Am sorry as a B.A User for the last 7 years i have had no issues, i use it purely for pre race TRADING, i finished with betting horses back in 1994. I got back into gambleing (as that is what i saw lay betting as) in 2009, when a friend introduced me to Betfair. I use to lay all day long, mostly favourites, but in the long run laying is the same as backing except you lose more. I remembered i layed a 33/1 for £10, and you guessed it it came romping home for £330 damages. That was the day i put down Betfair laying and discovred pre race trading in the video win whatever the result., i have never looked back only forwards, its good to be greened up before any race starts, do 15 trades at £20 per race and look at your PNL on day 30, no need to take wild risk, to me it sounds like your betting and taking the risk that you will get a green screen, more than likley you should off, but every horse in those races has equal chance to past the line first, happy for you that you recouped on that horse

[MemphisFlash]

personally i think your talking shit mate, Bet Angel does not allow you to go overdrawn, it is linked to your betfair account. if you have no money in your betfair account you cannot place a bet. stop winging about your loss, you did it ,accept that, and move on.

[knome]

21/05/2017 14:40:39: £ 10.00 Back bet placed on Texas Rock at 26. Fully matched at 30. Ref: 93455841270

21/05/2017 14:41:55: Greened up Texas Rock by Laying 95.24 at 8.6

Have you quoted all the log? The Texas Rock back bet and green up bet don't make sense and give you a loss of £433.82 on that particular trade. A green up of £10 back bet on Texas Rock @ 30's should be lay £34.88 @ 8.6

You have to realise that In last moments, fast moving in-play markets are very volatile and not being able to green up as expected is a fairly certain outcome so you should investigate other methods of closing trades or just let the bets run.

[andyrich666]

21/05/2017 14:40:39: £ 10.00 Back bet placed on Texas Rock at 26. Fully matched at 30. Ref: 93455841270

21/05/2017 14:41:55: Greened up Texas Rock by Laying 95.24 at 8.6

Have you quoted all the log? The Texas Rock back bet and green up bet don't make sense and give you a loss of £433.82 on that particular trade. A green up of £10 back bet on Texas Rock @ 30's should be lay £34.88 @ 8.6

You have to realise that In last moments, fast moving in-play markets are very volatile and not being able to green up as expected is a fairly certain outcome so you should investigate other methods of closing trades or just let the bets run.

Yes that is absolutely the full log for that race, I have mistakes before where the touchpad would put in 2/3 orders by mistake. On this occasion there was just one tap of the button.

I perfectly understand the issue and I have learned from before generally not to hit the green button on a sprint race, however the green was huge, considering the stakes used and the button was there and I felt it was a natural thing to do.

If I only had £20 in my account Betfair would not allow me to go -400 I think ? I worry more to think of if using larger stakes what could happen

[Naffman]

Use the ladder, then you can set your own price as prices can drift from 2.0 to 6.0 in the blink of an eye in play and that looks to be what is catching you out! You even know you've had problems doing what you're currently doing yet you still continue to do it so I want no more complaining after this if you still don't change

[andyrich666]

Use the ladder, then you can set your own price as prices can drift from 2.0 to 6.0 in the blink of an eye in play and that looks to be what is catching you out! You even know you've had problems doing what you're currently doing yet you still continue to do it so I want no more complaining after this if you still don't change

That is a excellent point RE the ladder, I shall certainly look into that.

But believe me I have changed I do 90% of the time now sit on my hands in under 1m races, and don't touch the button unless a horse has traded, however yesterday, 2 coming in very low was unable to stop myself.

I do appreciate your input, thanks for replying.

[ShaunWhite]

however the green was huge, considering the stakes used and the button was there and I felt it was a natural thing to do.

It's hard not to jump on the button when you see an unusually big green. It's impossible to get it though because it takes about 200ms for you to recognise it and respond, then add on the in play delay. By the time you see it, it's gone. Doing anything, especially in play that's based on reaction times is futile.