Living in London

[SeaHorseRacing]

My response was overly confrontational, I accept that

However, PC has become incredibly dangerous. In a 'free' country, the 2 things which define freedom are -
A) Having the freedom to form your own opinions about things
B) Having the freedom to voice those opinions

PC is oil and water to those freedoms, as it brainwashes and gags people

The situation with the Muslim community sums that up perfectly, hence why when we see situations like Rotherham and Telford, there is an elephant in the room, in the sense we are not allowed to comment on the rapists being Muslim

London is full of Mosques, it has a Muslim Mayor, and many don't like the way the city is descending into becoming something akin to Pakistan

My apologies if you find that offensive

What bothers me isn't what you say or how you say it but rather the flaws in the arguments. Rapists are rapists because they are rapists, not because they are one religion or another. This is another type of fallacy: a hasty generalization. Whether they are muslims or not is beside the point.

I spend A LOT of time in London and have seen less Mosques than I can count on one hand, but even if there is a rise in Mosque numbers - why does it matter? You talk about a 'free' country, and define it with 2 points; but I would argue there's more to it than that. Doesn't 'freedom of religion' belong in that list as well? and yes, London does have a muslim Mayor, but should that be his defining quality? Shouldnt he be judged based on merit rather than which being he chooses to believe in?

Im not asking you to be PC mate nor am I offended, I dont give a shit. I'd rather win you over to the idea that people are generally okay: whatever creed they may hail from and that there's usually more than meets the eye.

The Koran insights hate speech in nearly every verse. People who are religious and worship the book, follow the book.

80 years ago this country when into two word wars, which killed millions in order to keep our freedom of speech and live the life we want to. Islam does not allow this.

The mayor of London has opened a centre staffing 100s to tackle in line “hate crime”
Internet’s and social media been around nearly 20 years now... haven’t seen a rise in internet hate terrosim.

Whilst teenagers are shooting each other across the streets. One problem of this religion is it takes away real priorities.

How ridiculous is it that someone who is a believer in Islam won’t eat bacon or wont eat meat unless halal- basically Tourtured.

I don’t eat lamb because I don’t like the taste not because what some book tells me. Ablsoute insanity going on in this world right now.

No one talks about it because it’s possible some crazy worshipper will come and say “allaakbar” before they cut your head off for saying it.

I have a pretty shit argument I know.

[brimson25]

I don't disagree with any of that (on politeness).

People on both sides - those who define themselves as PC and those who define themselves against it - abuse the term.

To be very clear, I'm in favour of people being able to say and think whatever they wish. I am absolutely intolerant of a society which implicitly permits people to describe me, or anyone else as a vegetable. Not because I have the right not to be offended (I don't, and neither does anyone else) but because of the not so oblique message coded INTO that language - that I am, lesser, and dehumanised. Racial terms work in the same way.

But, something has changed since the 70s. Language like that to which I have attested has become less common. I know. I have lived through it. Why? Is that connected in anyway to "political correctness" as a broader ideology? Maybe, maybe not.

Some things have changed for the better.

[SeaHorseRacing]

If anyone was to ever do the research. Sweden was once known as the safest country in the world. In fact in the top 5.

Over the last 10 years they have taken a significant amount of immigrants.

Their capital city now has one of the highest rape capitals in the world.

I get it and I understand- most people are fine. And yes it the minority’s causing the problem.

Look at it this way.

Most of us are capable to have a drink and drive. But there are laws in place because a few will will drink, drive and kill.

We have non religious rapists, murderers and terroists all over the world.

The problem we have is usually the local non religious rapist who has a raped a kid probably did so because he was raped as a child.

The problem we have with this religion.

When you get a nutter. It’s ok to blow yourself up, cut heads off,rape children. Eat tortured meat. Throw gays off a building.

Can you see where I am getting at.

We have scum all over the world but when we get one who follow a book it is frightening.

[SeaHorseRacing]

Rant over.

London has fallen. I’m only 30 used to go regularly as a kid. Was a wonderful place.

It’s now possible the worse city I have ever visited. Ever been to New York City at night in the bronx. London feels like that during the day.

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The mayor of London has opened a centre staffing 100s to tackle in line “hate crime”
Internet’s and social media been around nearly 20 years now... haven’t seen a rise in internet hate terrosim.

The most clear threat to online freedom is being openly vaunted by the government right now. When we leave the EU, we will no longer be governed by EU legislation. Current EU legislation provides that internet platforms (such as this one) are not liable for any illegal third-party content posted (until they have actual knowledge that that content has posted, i.e. after the act).

The government/Theresa May have openly stated that they wish to change this when we leave the EU. This could mean that forums such as this one have to pre-moderate every single comment before it goes live. They will have to otherwise they will be liable for criminal/other prosecution if anyone posts anything illegal.

If so, it will likely become the case that all posts that counter prevailing orthodoxy will be removed, because sites won't want to be liable for them. This is the means through which the current government wants to gain control of the flow of information.

No-one seems to have noticed or care, and it's very worrying in fact.

[SeaHorseRacing]

I agree Max.

I could give 100 reasons why I am out of this country.

[Trader Pat]

I agree Max.
I could give 100 reasons why I am out of this country.

As a matter of interest where you thinking of going to?

[ShaunWhite]

Where you moving to shr? Are you going to be seeking asylum or being an ecomomic migrant?

[mobius]

Sesame St. ?

[sa7med]

Rant over.

London has fallen. I’m only 30 used to go regularly as a kid. Was a wonderful place.

It’s now possible the worse city I have ever visited. Ever been to New York City at night in the bronx. London feels like that during the day.

Funnily enough I happen to be a New Yorker and I've been to playgrounds there that are more dangerous than anywhere ive been in London. Can't see how you'd say that considering New York's homicide rate is 3x London's. Maybe you should move to the Bronx :p Let me know I've got some pals who could hook you up! East Side!

[Tobedotty]

The only city on earth that can compare to London is New York. It's truly one of the most incredible places on earth to live. That is, if you can afford it...

[Kafkaesque]

We live in a world governed by PC. You cannot have a view on rising Muslim numbers without somebody called you a racist

Followed by

However, PC has become incredibly dangerous. In a 'free' country, the 2 things which define freedom are -
A) Having the freedom to form your own opinions about things
B) Having the freedom to voice those opinions

Freedom of speech is essential to a free country (and by implication I should be allowed to say what I want about Muslims). Calling you a racist; how dare people SPEAK such words about you. Do you seriously not see the hypocracy?

But hey, I'm just a run of the mill white guy, what do I know

I somewhat agree with sa7med's response in the very next post, but you did toss it in there at the end of a rant, so....as a white male you (we, as it were, to be clear) have a foot up on the vast majority of the world's population, before you start life's journey. Our ancestors built this priviliged position off the backs, suffering and death of pretty much every other ethnicity on the planet (and women). When this position is under siege, it must be someone else's fault and failings, surely.

The Koran insights hate speech in nearly every verse.

The level of ignorance in that one sentence is quite astounding. I should make clear that I'm a not a rose-tinted glasses leftie. Islamic fundamentalism is a real concern, as is migration - be it refugees or economic migration - but the real problem isn't Islam. Rather it's ignorance. And that's as dangerous whether you're a Muslim, Christian, Atheist or something else entirely.

It's ignorance that makes men and women blindly do horrendous things for causes, they do not fully understand, for power hungry leaders.

I don't have the solution; I just firmly believe two things.

First that we will not solve the issues at hand by making stoking the fire of us versus them, and creating hate speech on our side of things, as much as some of "them" do.

Secondly that we have absolutely zero right to claim a moral high ground, because we've developed certain principels within the last half a century or so, when we were at least as bad as anyone for much, much longer before then, and arguably still are.

[ShaunWhite]

It’s now possible the worse city I have ever visited.

Funnily enough I happen to be a New Yorker and I've been to playgrounds there that are more dangerous than anywhere ive been in London.

London's just like any other city, places you go places you don't.

Work sent me to Cape Town for a year once, nice beach house 1/2mile north of town, dolphins in the sea, lovely......But you do NOT want to turn left instead of right when you leave the house! 20yrs in London and I never felt the same fear driving through Streatham. The CT office used to issue visitors with crappy cars so they didn't get targetted. Well that's what they told me anyway

Grass is always greener on the other side.

[sa7med]

It’s now possible the worse city I have ever visited.

Funnily enough I happen to be a New Yorker and I've been to playgrounds there that are more dangerous than anywhere ive been in London.

London's just like any other city, places you go places you don't.

Absolutely, but compare the places you don't go in London to those in NYC. No comparison. It's better now than it was in the 90s but still...

Before I was 10 I had one friend shot dead and another's family murdered in their own home and I lived in the cozy suburbs!

[ShaunWhite]

Absolutely, but compare the places you don't go in London to those in NYC. No comparison.

Maybe he should move to Acapulco? Only 30,000 murders last year.
Classic power vacuum, govt wiped out the big cartels and the small gangs are going nuts.